Freddie Roach Thinks Wlad Hits Harder than Tyson Ever Did.Do you know more than Roach

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Roberto Duran "walked around" at over 200 pounds quite frequently. That didn't make him a Heavyweight. It's the weight you fight at that matters not what you "walk around" at.

Poet

I understand that but am comparing his natural fit size without weight being cut to that of modern CWs.

[fitefanSHO]

Freddie Roach is entitled to his opinion and I respect that, but his opinion does not necessarily make him right and anyone who disagrees with it wrong.

[Poet682006]

I understand that but am comparing his natural fit size without weight being cut to that of modern CWs.

Apparently you didn't read the following:

It's the weight you fight at that matters not what you "walk around" at.

[Forza]

Freddie Roach is entitled to his opinion and I respect that, but his opinion does not necessarily make him right and anyone who disagrees with it wrong.

Roach trained Tyson I think he knows more than the average boxing fan that has never even seen tyson IRL.

[Steak]

The guy was a small CW by todays standards, I know you love the old timers but c'mon take off your blinders of hate for Wlad and at least pretend to be objective. Shavers has alot of 180 190lb fighters ko'd on his resume most of which were not even very good.

Shavers also badly hurt Ali and Holmes, who were well known for having excellent chins, not to mention he beat Norton, Bugner and Young.


Having more weight does not=having a better chin. Unsurprisingly, the most difficult opponent to knock out that Vitali and Wladimir faced was Byrd, who was a blown up Heavyweight at best.

Also notice that the only three opponents that have gone the distance with Wladimir in the past 5 years are Ibragimov and Haye. surprise surprise, they are also some of the lightest opponents hes faced. Chambers also almost made it the distance before that cracking left hook.
Meanwhile, Wladimir has knocked out every opponent over 220lbs that he has faced.(in the past 5 years)

and do I really have to bring up the multiple heavy guys that have **** chins at HW? or cant punch for **** despite weighing heavier than most HWs?

point is: a guy that weighs 240lbs does not magically have a better chin than a guy that is 210lbs. hell, a lot of the time extra(fat) weight makes you easier to knock out. even on Wladimir's own record that shows up, so its not 'nostalgia'.

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Apparently you didn't read the following:

Its not an irrelevant fact what a fighter walks around at, it does give you some idea about that fighters natural size in comparison to other fighters.

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Shavers also badly hurt Ali and Holmes, who were well known for having excellent chins, not to mention he beat Norton, Bugner and Young.


Having more weight does not=having a better chin. Unsurprisingly, the most difficult opponent to knock out that Vitali and Wladimir faced was Byrd, who was a blown up Heavyweight at best.

Also notice that the only three opponents that have gone the distance with Wladimir in the past 5 years are Ibragimov and Haye. surprise surprise, they are also some of the lightest opponents hes faced. Chambers also almost made it the distance before that cracking left hook.
Meanwhile, Wladimir has knocked out every opponent over 220lbs that he has faced.(in the past 5 years)

and do I really have to bring up the multiple heavy guys that have **** chins at HW? or cant punch for **** despite weighing heavier than most HWs?

point is: a guy that weighs 240lbs does not magically have a better chin than a guy that is 210lbs. hell, a lot of the time extra(fat) weight makes you easier to knock out. even on Wladimir's own record that shows up, so its not 'nostalgia'.

So where is the cut off then? could a Fly weight boxer hit harder than a CW in your estimation?

Weight is is factor in power.

Also Wlad taking Haye and Sultan to a decision has very little to do with power and more to do with the style match ups.

[SplitSecond]

Its not an irrelevant fact what a fighter walks around at, it does give you some idea about that fighters natural size in comparison to other fighters.

it is tho...

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it is tho...

I guess if you personally don't care, know, or want to know it is.

[Vadrigar.]

Shavers.........lolz

Oh dear