does andre ward punch harder than sven ottke?..

[jermainerambo]

LOL!

Oh man, youre something special!

NAME ME ONE ATG THAT CALZAGHE FOUGHT IN THEIR PRIME?

The only ATG roy jones ,bhop and eubank fought.....was JOE CALZAGHE

name a ATG IN JOE CALZAGHE ERA THAT HE DID NOT FIGHT?........YOU CANT NAME 1 CAN YOU?.......... I CANT

[IronDanHamza]

The only ATG roy jones ,bhop and eubank fought.....was JOE CALZAGHE

name a ATG IN JOE CALZAGHE ERA THAT HE DID NOT FIGHT?........YOU CANT NAME 1 CAN YOU?.......... I CANT

Sven Ottke.

The ATG Super Middleweight with 21 title defenses.

[Larry the boss]

The only ATG roy jones ,bhop and eubank fought.....was JOE CALZAGHE

name a ATG IN JOE CALZAGHE ERA THAT HE DID NOT FIGHT?........YOU CANT NAME 1 CAN YOU?.......... I CANT

hopkins-

1-tito
2-oscar

[daggum]

Sven Ottke.

The ATG Super Middleweight with 21 title defenses.

ottke ko 1 calzaghe. calzaghe refused to fight ottke because he didn't want to go to germany but then he went to germany to fight veit! why fight the unified champ when you can fight a tomato can?

[IronDanHamza]

hopkins-

1-tito
2-oscar

Neither are ATG's but Tito is certainly a better win than anything Calzaghe did.

I would even argue that beating Oscar at 160 is almost as good as anything Calzaghe did.

[ИATAS]

Neither are ATG's but Tito is certainly a better win than anything Calzaghe did.

I would even argue that beating Oscar at 160 is almost as good as anything Calzaghe did.

what do you consider all time great? because I've seen oscar and tito in so many of people's top 100 lists.

[daggum]

i'm pretty sure lacy was an all time great.

[jermainerambo]

Sven Ottke.

The ATG Super Middleweight with 21 title defenses.

will ottke ever get in to the HOF ?.........NO......SO HOW CAN HE BE A AGT?.....

come 2012 calzaghe is getting in to the HOF before jones jr and bhop

[IronDanHamza]

what do you consider all time great? because I've seen oscar and tito in so many of people's top 100 lists.

I consider the Top 100 fighters to be ATG's. (As time goes on that will obviously expand)

I don't consider Oscar nor Tito to be Top 100 ATG's. Boarderline yes, but not quite.

Wouldn't disagree too much if someone were to have them in the Top 100 but only if it were the latter.

[IronDanHamza]

will ottke ever get in to the HOF ?.........NO......SO HOW CAN HE BE A AGT?.....

come 2012 calzaghe is getting in to the HOF before jones jr and bhop

But he had so many title defences.....How can he not be an ATG?

Of course it doesn't matter if the title defences are entirely against bums. Because after all, they're title defences!

So yeah 21 title defences= definite ATG.