Comments Thread For: Team Margarito: If Cotto Wants 150, Let Him Go To 147

[ChampBox@PR]

That can be played both games, if Marg felt he won without cheating why does the weight have to be at 154? He fought Manny at 150, and Cotto before at 147 now he needs all the weight advantage he can get? As for my view, sure Cotto doesn't need any of these advantages why should he be the bigger man? I never understood that, for example when I play basketball I don't play dirty or rough it up but if some guy plays like that I got no problem playing that game. I see Cotto in the same light, he is a fair guy but if you do him dirty he'll return the favor.

This is almost exact what I was going to reply!!

[mex602]

Cheat or not, he will be remembered as the man brutally beat down Miguel Pacquiao...... TWICE!

Your fat ass is giving us Mexicans a bad name. Cheato is a cheat deal with it...not a true mexican warrior. I hope Cotto gets his revenge.

[Eaner0919]

That can be played both games, if Marg felt he won without cheating why does the weight have to be at 154?

because that's where the belt is. Junior Middleweight division has a weight limit of a 154lbs NOT 150.

Miguel Cotto holds the belt for the Junior Middleweight division

simple really

He fought Manny at 150,

1. Manny was going up in weight to something he had never done before while Cotto has been established at 154lbs for some time now and has won and defended his belt weighing over 150lbs.

and Cotto before at 147 now he needs all the weight advantage he can get?

not sure how this is an advantage that favors Margarito when

1. Cotto has won and defend a belt there and is now a full fledged Junior Middleweight
2. Cotto has the same ability to hydrate as much as he wants to

As for my view, sure Cotto doesn't need any of these advantages why should he be the bigger man? I never understood that, for example when I play basketball I don't play dirty or rough it up but if some guy plays like that I got no problem playing that game. I see Cotto in the same light, he is a fair guy but if you do him dirty he'll return the favor.

no one is asking him to the bigger man

people are asking him to defend the belt at the weight limit stipulated and agreed upon by the sanctioning bodies

and before you go all "well Cotto had to do it with Manny"

I was firmly against that as well

it's a BS move. I called it the same way when Manny did it and the same way for Cotto it's just a different set of fans trying to defend this

[-Johannes-]

That can be played both games, if Marg felt he won without cheating why does the weight have to be at 154? He fought Manny at 150, and Cotto before at 147 now he needs all the weight advantage he can get? As for my view, sure Cotto doesn't need any of these advantages why should he be the bigger man? I never understood that, for example when I play basketball I don't play dirty or rough it up but if some guy plays like that I got no problem playing that game. I see Cotto in the same light, he is a fair guy but if you do him dirty he'll return the favor.

Why play a game on the first place? Cotto critisized Pacquiao for their title fight at CW so why do it now? Even more ******ed a rehydration clause. How about concentrate on the main issue everyone talks about which are the wraps. Have them miticulously inspect everything that is done in the locker room.
Cotto didn't mind Mayorgas weight one bit, even when Mayorga warned that he would balloon up a considerable amount of pounds a lot more than 160. If the 150 lb catch weight and the 160 rehydration limit is true, then it's clear as day that Cotto doesn't want to fight him again.

[Beater_of_ass]

because that's where the belt is. Junior Middleweight division has a weight limit of a 154lbs NOT 150.

Miguel Cotto holds the belt for the Junior Middleweight division

simple really



1. Manny was going up in weight to something he had never done before while Cotto has been established at 154lbs for some time now and has won and defended his belt weighing over 150lbs.


not sure how this is an advantage that favors Margarito when

1. Cotto has won and defend a belt there and is now a full fledged Junior Middleweight
2. Cotto has the same ability to hydrate as much as he wants to


no one is asking him to the bigger man

people are asking him to defend the belt at the weight limit stipulated and agreed upon by the sanctioning bodies

and before you go all "well Cotto had to do it with Manny"

I was firmly against that as well

it's a BS move. I called it the same way when Manny did it and the same way for Cotto it's just a different set of fans trying to defend this

I called the Manny fight BS too because I hate catchweights. But Margarito is a proven cheater, he tried to get advantages without any mediation on it so **** him. Its really that simple. Should Cotto fight at 154, yes. Do I care if he asks for whatever he wants against Margarito? No. If Tony never had wraps I'd be hating on Cotto too.

[Beater_of_ass]

Why play a game on the first place? Cotto critisized Pacquiao for their title fight at CW so why do it now? Even more ******ed a rehydration clause. How about concentrate on the main issue everyone talks about which are the wraps. Have them miticulously inspect everything that is done in the locker room.
Cotto didn't mind Mayorgas weight one bit, even when Mayorga warned that he would balloon up a considerable amount of pounds a lot more than 160. If the 150 lb catch weight and the 160 rehydration limit is true, then it's clear as day that Cotto doesn't want to fight him again.

Cotto didn't ***** about the catchweight he accepted it didn't he? So who cares. And AGAIN the fight was signed at 154 according to Arum and its just Marg side crying like b*tches not Cotto's camp. Also, Marg can man up if the first fight was fought cleanly as he "claims" but then again he claims he didn't know he had wraps in his hands for the Mosley fight. So how would he know he didn't have them against Cotto? People make it seem like because Marg couldn't fight for a year the repercussions for what he did are taken care of. Not how it works, sorry. If you commit a felony and got to jail for a year its still hard as **** to find a job because your character is in question same **** here. Don't cheat and this wouldn't be happening, I got no sympathy for anyone who would have done the same thing. Resto is a perfect example, he cried on TV who cares he's still a scumbag for doing it in the first place.

[killakali]

Give me a link.

And all this means nothing, Cotto needed Marg? So the buys were from the guy who was NEVER on PPV prior to that fight... Ok... If Marg was a draw Mosley/Marg would have been on PPV, he's not.

U don't get it. The point is neither is a big ppv draw. Marquez sold 200k ppvs vs Juan Diaz in thir rematch. He's not considered a ppv draw yet he has sold more ppvs than Cotto when you add the 3 Pac fights, the Maywather fight and the Barrera and Casamayor fight.

JMM's fight vs Diaz did as well as Cotto's versus Mayorga and head 9,000 people in attendance versus Cotto-Mayorga having 7000.

A step further and Margarito has the highest attendance ever at Staples versus Mosley (over 21k) and was sold out or would have had more. I was there in th stands. Even Cottos fight in Yankee Stadium with a higher capacity had less people there.

Cotto doesn't need Margarito and Margarito doesn't need Cotto. Cotto can leave a $5million guarantee on the table and go back to getting $1mil a fight like he did for Mayorga and Foreman or 1.5million for Clottey and btw Foreman and Clottey weren't on ppv either.

I think Cotto is too good of a business man to leave 5mil guaranteed on the table to go fight someone like Berto for 1million.

[borikua]

Cheato, just shut the **** up and do whatever Cotto tells you to do. ok?

[Beater_of_ass]

U don't get it. The point is neither is a big ppv draw. Marquez sold 200k ppvs vs Juan Diaz in thir rematch. He's not considered a ppv draw yet he has sold more ppvs than Cotto when you add the 3 Pac fights, the Maywather fight and the Barrera and Casamayor fight.

JMM's fight vs Diaz did as well as Cotto's versus Mayorga and head 9,000 people in attendance versus Cotto-Mayorga having 7000.

A step further and Margarito has the highest attendance ever at Staples versus Mosley (over 21k) and was sold out or would have had more. I was there in th stands. Even Cottos fight in Yankee Stadium with a higher capacity had less people there.

Cotto doesn't need Margarito and Margarito doesn't need Cotto. Cotto can leave a $5million guarantee on the table and go back to getting $1mil a fight like he did for Mayorga and Foreman or 1.5million for Clottey and btw Foreman and Clottey weren't on ppv either.

I think Cotto is too good of a business man to leave 5mil guaranteed on the table to go fight someone like Berto for 1million.

You do realize the gate at the Staples Center was not even 1 million right? They were selling tickets for like $10, anyway who cares. Cotto has more PPV buys than Marg. He made more to fight Manny and he is getting an 80/20 split to fight Marg what point are you trying to make? Cotto isn't a draw? He is 3rd behing Manny and Floyd in the US in buys no one else even comes close. Cotto also made 2 million for Foreman and Mayorga and that is guaranteed not counting gate or PPV numbers. Considering he gets about 40% of the buy rate for PPV he still made about 5 million for fighting Mayorga. Again what is your point? So he was on HBO you do realize he gave them the biggest rating of that year for ANY programming. Give it up man, Cotto is a draw. You don't need to pull in Manny or Floyd numbers to be a draw. Also, Margarito sold out staples center ONCE. Cotto has done it (MSG) 6 years in a row until he fought in Vegas you can't win whatever it is you're trying to prove. Until I get a link your numbers don't mean **** I'm still waiting to see where you are getting your numbers because they are ALL wrong. Especially when you say the 3 pac fights when they've only fought twice. Both numbers of which don't add up to how much Cotto did with Pac in his one fight. I'm done with you, unless I can use fights that haven't happened yet to add more buys.

[killakali]

You do realize the gate at the Staples Center was not even 1 million right? They were selling tickets for like $10, anyway who cares. Cotto has more PPV buys than Marg. He made more to fight Manny and he is getting an 80/20 split to fight Marg what point are you trying to make? Cotto isn't a draw? He is 3rd behing Manny and Floyd in the US in buys no one else even comes close. Cotto also made 2 million for Foreman and Mayorga and that is guaranteed not counting gate or PPV numbers. Considering he gets about 40% of the buy rate for PPV he still made about 5 million for fighting Mayorga. Again what is your point? So he was on HBO you do realize he gave them the biggest rating of that year for ANY programming. Give it up man, Cotto is a draw. You don't need to pull in Manny or Floyd numbers to be a draw. Also, Margarito sold out staples center ONCE. Cotto has done it (MSG) 6 years in a row until he fought in Vegas you can't win whatever it is you're trying to prove. Until I get a link your numbers don't mean **** I'm still waiting to see where you are getting your numbers because they are ALL wrong. Especially when you say the 3 pac fights when they've only fought twice. Both numbers of which don't add up to how much Cotto did with Pac in his one fight. I'm done with you, unless I can use fights that haven't happened yet to add more buys.

I guess u weren't a math major. Marquez with Floyd did as much as Cotto did with Manny. Throw those 2 fights out and Marquez in 2 fights with Manny, 1 with Casamayor, 1 with Diaz and 1 with Barerra did more than Cotto's fights not counting Manny. The point is neither is a big ppv draw. Hell Bhop-Roy Jones 2 did almost as much ppvs as Cotto-Mayorga.

Cotto only made 1million for Mayorga and 1million Foreman. He got 1.5 for Clottey. Stop making up numbers. You have no link. In US boxing there is Floyd and Manny then Cotto a very distant 3rd. He's no trinidad. And Cotto-Foreman didn't sell out. Stop your lies. They were actually disappointed that it didn't sell more.

And u say Cotto gets 40% of ppv buy rate? That is hilarious. Your ignorance is laughable. First off the ppv provider takes 50% right off the bat leaving 50% for everyone else. Making your statment idiotic. Secondly Cotto would get anywhere from $1-5$ per ppv buy after a certain amount was sold. Like Clottey got $3 per ppv buy after it hit the 500k ppv buy rate for the Manny Pacquiao fight. Showtime isn't doing the ppv for free. Neither is Top Rank. Needless to say the Mayorga fight only sold 200k. Top rank has an undercard to pay for as well. Cotto didn't get any ppv upside because there wasn't any.

Cotto-Foreman was HBO's fighrst rated boxing program of the year but Chavez Jr came along and hit those numbers vs Zbik. Which further shows the sad state of boxing.