Comments Thread For: Team Margarito: If Cotto Wants 150, Let Him Go To 147

[The Big Dunn]

I guess u weren't a math major. Marquez with Floyd did as much as Cotto did with Manny. Throw those 2 fights out and Marquez in 2 fights with Manny, 1 with Casamayor, 1 with Diaz and 1 with Barerra did more than Cotto's fights not counting Manny. The point is neither is a big ppv draw. Hell Bhop-Roy Jones 2 did almost as much ppvs as Cotto-Mayorga.

Cotto only made 1million for Mayorga and 1million Foreman. He got 1.5 for Clottey. Stop making up numbers. You have no link. In US boxing there is Floyd and Manny then Cotto a very distant 3rd. He's no trinidad. And Cotto-Foreman didn't sell out. Stop your lies. They were actually disappointed that it didn't sell more.

And u say Cotto gets 40% of ppv buy rate? That is hilarious. Your ignorance is laughable. First off the ppv provider takes 50% right off the bat leaving 50% for everyone else. Making your statment idiotic. Secondly Cotto would get anywhere from $1-5$ per ppv buy after a certain amount was sold. Like Clottey got $3 per ppv buy after it hit the 500k ppv buy rate for the Manny Pacquiao fight. Showtime isn't doing the ppv for free. Neither is Top Rank. Needless to say the Mayorga fight only sold 200k. Top rank has an undercard to pay for as well. Cotto didn't get any ppv upside because there wasn't any.

Cotto-Foreman was HBO's fighrst rated boxing program of the year but Chavez Jr came along and hit those numbers vs Zbik. Which further shows the sad state of boxing.

Cotto is the 3rd largest ppv draw in boxing right now. He just can't get Manny3's and MAnny can't get floyd #'s. Other than Floyd/Manny, every other fighter would give their left nut to have as consistent a ppv audience as cotto.

[killakali]

How do u figure? Snce the fight vs Pacquiao, Cotto did 200k ppv buys vs Mayorga. Almost carbon copy numbers as Marquez-Diaz 2 and BHop Jones. I havent seen figures for Morales Maidana. Cotto has 1 ppv show in the last 2 yrs and it did 200k. The fact is his biggest ppvs were vs Margarito and Manny. We know Manny's fans bought most of those ppvs. I bet the Maragarito fight was about 50-50 mexican and rican fans. The history suggests that. Cotto had never even hit 300k ppv buys before the Margo fight. Hell Tito out of retirment did 900k ppvs vs Roy Jones and we know Tito sold most of those ppvs. Cotto aint no Tito. He barely sells as many as Marquez

[BERNIE'S CORNER]

How do u figure? Snce the fight vs Pacquiao, Cotto did 200k ppv buys vs Mayorga. Almost carbon copy numbers as Marquez-Diaz 2 and BHop Jones. I havent seen figures for Morales Maidana. Cotto has 1 ppv show in the last 2 yrs and it did 200k. The fact is his biggest ppvs were vs Margarito and Manny. We know Manny's fans bought most of those ppvs. I bet the Maragarito fight was about 50-50 mexican and rican fans. The history suggests that. Cotto had never even hit 300k ppv buys before the Margo fight. Hell Tito out of retirment did 900k ppvs vs Roy Jones and we know Tito sold most of those ppvs. Cotto aint no Tito. He barely sells as many as Marquez

Level of competition will always tweak the numbers. In my humble opinion 200k for an over the hill Mayorga is pretty damn good. Considering Cotto was out for over a year. To say almost when comparing Cotto's PPV buys to others is not helping your case. I have an idea go ask Gino Ross he's the PPV expert !!!

[Beater_of_ass]

I guess u weren't a math major. Marquez with Floyd did as much as Cotto did with Manny. Throw those 2 fights out and Marquez in 2 fights with Manny, 1 with Casamayor, 1 with Diaz and 1 with Barerra did more than Cotto's fights not counting Manny. The point is neither is a big ppv draw. Hell Bhop-Roy Jones 2 did almost as much ppvs as Cotto-Mayorga.

Cotto only made 1million for Mayorga and 1million Foreman. He got 1.5 for Clottey. Stop making up numbers. You have no link. In US boxing there is Floyd and Manny then Cotto a very distant 3rd. He's no trinidad. And Cotto-Foreman didn't sell out. Stop your lies. They were actually disappointed that it didn't sell more.

And u say Cotto gets 40% of ppv buy rate? That is hilarious. Your ignorance is laughable. First off the ppv provider takes 50% right off the bat leaving 50% for everyone else. Making your statment idiotic. Secondly Cotto would get anywhere from $1-5$ per ppv buy after a certain amount was sold. Like Clottey got $3 per ppv buy after it hit the 500k ppv buy rate for the Manny Pacquiao fight. Showtime isn't doing the ppv for free. Neither is Top Rank. Needless to say the Mayorga fight only sold 200k. Top rank has an undercard to pay for as well. Cotto didn't get any ppv upside because there wasn't any.

Cotto-Foreman was HBO's fighrst rated boxing program of the year but Chavez Jr came along and hit those numbers vs Zbik. Which further shows the sad state of boxing.

Cotto drew 1.25 million with Manny, Marquez got 1 million with Floyd. That alone Cotto is up 250k, that is what the .25 stands for. (Cotto up 250k.)

Manny vs. Marquez II did 400,00 buys which is what Cotto did with Mosley. (Cotto still up 250k)

Manny vs Marquez I did 300,000 buys, Cotto/Margarito did 500k. (Cotto now up 450k) and I haven't even started with his Mayorga fight, Paulie fight, or Judah fight which would about another 600k, give it up. I just did the research, even if I massively low ball Cotto/Mosley its 360k. Seriously, give it up.

Cotto making 40% from PPV isn't actually a false number. If the network gets 50% who gets the rest of the money? The fighters, the promoters take a CUT off of what they make and Mayorga was getting 10% if that. If I'm wrong who gets the rest of the money? Its not the casino, so who is left my God you really are an idiot. Also Cotto/Foreman was in Yankee stadium and it drew 21k fans, that is disappointing? Cotto against a completely unknown fighter and still drawing over a million dollar gate is disappointing. Can you AT LEAST provide a link for that, just one to give anything you say SOME credibility.

No one on here is saying Cotto was Trinidad in terms of PPV buys, I said he is bigger than Margarito. What exactly are you crying about then man? Seriously hate on Cotto for taking a knee or him wanting a catch weight but to say he isn't a draw, that is some idiotic statements. Hell I even found thisstating Cotto/Foreman did a 3.6 share and the replay got what Chavez vs. Zbik got, which was this year not last year by the way, idiot.

As for Cotto not getting an upside because of undercards... BWAHAHAHA!!!! You do realize 200k @ 50 is 10 million dollars right? That means 5 million gets spread around and this isn't counting the gate. Its Showtime who pays the fighters, which is why they get a 50% cut from the start, the undercard guys are not making anywhere near 500,000k like Mayorga they are lucky to get 100k and closer to 50k MAX. That means if the undercards added up to $1 million and after paying for EVERYTHING including cameramen, announcers the ref etc Showtime still made 2.5 million for a 2 hour broadcast hardly chump change. Use some logic even if Cotto got 30% he still made 4 million and I haven't counted the gate yet, you ****ing fail HARD. I'm done with you.

[Beater_of_ass]

How do u figure? Snce the fight vs Pacquiao, Cotto did 200k ppv buys vs Mayorga. Almost carbon copy numbers as Marquez-Diaz 2 and BHop Jones. I havent seen figures for Morales Maidana. Cotto has 1 ppv show in the last 2 yrs and it did 200k. The fact is his biggest ppvs were vs Margarito and Manny. We know Manny's fans bought most of those ppvs. I bet the Maragarito fight was about 50-50 mexican and rican fans. The history suggests that. Cotto had never even hit 300k ppv buys before the Margo fight. Hell Tito out of retirment did 900k ppvs vs Roy Jones and we know Tito sold most of those ppvs. Cotto aint no Tito. He barely sells as many as Marquez

Owned. Yahoo article stating Cotto vs Mosley did 400k, bye biatch.

[The Big Dunn]

How do u figure? Snce the fight vs Pacquiao, Cotto did 200k ppv buys vs Mayorga. Almost carbon copy numbers as Marquez-Diaz 2 and BHop Jones. I havent seen figures for Morales Maidana. Cotto has 1 ppv show in the last 2 yrs and it did 200k. The fact is his biggest ppvs were vs Margarito and Manny. We know Manny's fans bought most of those ppvs. I bet the Maragarito fight was about 50-50 mexican and rican fans. The history suggests that. Cotto had never even hit 300k ppv buys before the Margo fight. Hell Tito out of retirment did 900k ppvs vs Roy Jones and we know Tito sold most of those ppvs. Cotto aint no Tito. He barely sells as many as Marquez

No he isnt Tito. But currently if you are between 147 and 160 lbs and you want to get paid your choices are 1. floyd, 2. manny, 3. cotto.

[Las Vegas,]

Tito vs. Roy Jones 900k PPV buys....lmao. There's the joke of the day.

[killakali]

Tito vs. Roy Jones 900k PPV buys....lmao. There's the joke of the day.

Google it. Surprising but true

[killakali]

Cotto drew 1.25 million with Manny, Marquez got 1 million with Floyd. That alone Cotto is up 250k, that is what the .25 stands for. (Cotto up 250k.)

Manny vs. Marquez II did 400,00 buys which is what Cotto did with Mosley. (Cotto still up 250k)

Manny vs Marquez I did 300,000 buys, Cotto/Margarito did 500k. (Cotto now up 450k) and I haven't even started with his Mayorga fight, Paulie fight, or Judah fight which would about another 600k, give it up. I just did the research, even if I massively low ball Cotto/Mosley its 360k. Seriously, give it up.

Cotto making 40% from PPV isn't actually a false number. If the network gets 50% who gets the rest of the money? The fighters, the promoters take a CUT off of what they make and Mayorga was getting 10% if that. If I'm wrong who gets the rest of the money? Its not the casino, so who is left my God you really are an idiot. Also Cotto/Foreman was in Yankee stadium and it drew 21k fans, that is disappointing? Cotto against a completely unknown fighter and still drawing over a million dollar gate is disappointing. Can you AT LEAST provide a link for that, just one to give anything you say SOME credibility.


No one on here is saying Cotto was Trinidad in terms of PPV buys, I said he is bigger than Margarito. What exactly are you crying about then man? Seriously hate on Cotto for taking a knee or him wanting a catch weight but to say he isn't a draw, that is some idiotic statements. Hell I even found thisstating Cotto/Foreman did a 3.6 share and the replay got what Chavez vs. Zbik got, which was this year not last year by the way, idiot.

As for Cotto not getting an upside because of undercards... BWAHAHAHA!!!! You do realize 200k @ 50 is 10 million dollars right? That means 5 million gets spread around and this isn't counting the gate. Its Showtime who pays the fighters, which is why they get a 50% cut from the start, the undercard guys are not making anywhere near 500,000k like Mayorga they are lucky to get 100k and closer to 50k MAX. That means if the undercards added up to $1 million and after paying for EVERYTHING including cameramen, announcers the ref etc Showtime still made 2.5 million for a 2 hour broadcast hardly chump change. Use some logic even if Cotto got 30% he still made 4 million and I haven't counted the gate yet, you ****ing fail HARD. I'm done with you.

In the words of Roger Mayweather u don't know ish about boxing.
When I get in front of a computer I will get u links. Your numbers are still off. Mayweather-marquez did 1.2million. U said 1million. Don't u remember how people were talking about how Manny barely edged Floyd with the Manny-Cotto and Floyd-JMM fights. Also Cotto-Margarito did 450k. Cotto-Mosley was under 400k. U also left out Marquez's fights vs Casamyor and Barrera which were ppv.

As far as Cotto getting 40% of total PPV u are either on crack or just don't understand. The cable rpovder (like Cox, directv,dishnetwork, etc) gets half. Then HBO or Showtime takes half of the 50%that was remaining leaving 25% for Top Rank. They make their profit plus pay for the uindercard, all the expenses (flying in fighters, food, hotels etc) and they give the man event fghters a small cut after a certain amount of ppvs have been sold. For the record Cotto made 1mil and Mayorga made 400k. Go to Nevada Athletic State Commission website. Its public record.

Have we added in the millions spent on advertising? The commercials etc? The costs of Top Rank's staff? PR people, matchmakers, Arum etc? All the commercials weren't on Showtime. They were on ESPN and other stations as well. Magazine adds. The refs, security, judges, etc have to be paid. Son u just got owned.

[killakali]

Level of competition will always tweak the numbers. In my humble opinion 200k for an over the hill Mayorga is pretty damn good. Considering Cotto was out for over a year. To say almost when comparing Cotto's PPV buys to others is not helping your case. I have an idea go ask Gino Ross he's the PPV expert !!!

Actually it helps my cases. Think about it. Cotto vs a shot Mayorga did 200k. Marquez vs a shot Diaz did more than Cotto (slightly) and B-Hop vs a way shot Roy Jones did almost as much Cotto7iMayorga. I don't have the Moralez-Maidana numbers but I bet that was close as well. And BHop-RJJ was only distributed by HBO. No marketing push as they were against the fight and it still almost equaled Cotto-Mayorga.