boxers are not street fighters

[CubanGuyNYC]

I had an amateur kid, 112 pounds soaking weight, he would get into fights at the club with guys MUCH bigger than him and punch them at will...they usually made the mistake of trying to go punch for punch and it turned out bad...I know another pro from my city who was well known for fights in the ******...he would WRECK guys much bigger than him regularly (he was usually between 155 and 160)...it stands to reason that in general anyone who doesnt box who tries to PUNCH with a real boxer, no matter the size, is going to get tore up...but once u put ground fighting, wrestling, etc into themix than the boxers advantages likely wont come into play...one aspect that the boxer will almost ALWAYS have the HUGE advantage in, though, is in his conditioning...you take the average pro boxer and match up with the average guy in the bar, club or street....I'll say the non-boxer gasses out and gasses out BADLY in much quicker fashion that the boxer and once that happens? Its a one sided whipping...

Excellent post, John. I agree with everything you say. Some of these things I've seen/experienced for myself. Others I can easily envision. The conditioning aspect is huge. Most people are in terrible shape, even if they don't appear to be. A real fight takes up energy fast! Within thirty seconds an unconditioned person, no matter how skilled or tough they might be, will be at the mercy of a trained fighter.

Most people that have never boxed think getting punched in the head and body is easy. Sure, the pros make it look easy, but it's far, far from it. I'm not going to get into the futile argument about which fighting art is superior, but you can bet a trained fighter -- let alone a world champion -- is well equipped to smoke the "average guy".

[cupocity303]

Particular Boxing style Fighters are only equipped to be effective in controlled situations, I.E. A squared circle with a ref to regulate any rough housing.

I don't think anybody would be intimidated by Paulie Malignaggie? And it's not just his pillow hands, it's his style of fighting. It doesn't transition to well into a real life situation outside the ring. Whether it's one guy or three guys attacking you.

On the other hand, an aggressive bully type fighter, even though he might got knocked out by a Slick Boxer, is far more intimidating and effective on the street.

[uoykcuf]

I know what he is trying to say. Despite phrasing it poorly and coming off as a troll, which he might be.

Typically the rugged, come forward, strong Fighters like Edison Miranda, Mayorga, Andrade, Margarito etc,. Even though they might get beaten and Ko'd more than a Mayweather or Andrew Ward.

Those guys in the real world, without a ref would be more effective at fighting. In a real life situation, like getting attacked at a bar, Miranda would have a better time fighting off one or two guys, then someone who moves around and counters, and depends on the Ref to save him from any rough house tactics. Slick boxers are ineffective outside the ring. Mike Tyson can *** up two guys at once, while Lennox Lewis probably couldn't. Using his long jab doesn't work in the real world.

Lewis probably would KO a street fighter with his jab if he lands it on them.

[cupocity303]

Lewis probably would KO a street fighter with his jab if he lands it on them.

You didn't get the context. He may well would with his frame and everything.

I was talking about any real life situation, fair or unfair. Lewis couldn't handle three guys attacking him, the same way Mike Tyson could. Even though he beats Tyson 9 out of 10 times.

When you need a referee for support during your fights, and someone like MIke could care less, you know you wouldn't handle yourself to well outside the ring.

[Alibata]

I know what he is trying to say. Despite phrasing it poorly and coming off as a troll, which he might be.

Typically the rugged, come forward, strong Fighters like Edison Miranda, Mayorga, Andrade, Margarito etc,. Even though they might get beaten and Ko'd more than a Mayweather or Andrew Ward.

Those guys in the real world, without a ref would be more effective at fighting. In a real life situation, like getting attacked at a bar, Miranda would have a better time fighting off one or two guys, then someone who moves around and counters, and depends on the Ref to save him from any rough house tactics. Slick boxers are ineffective outside the ring. Mike Tyson can *** up two guys at once, while Lennox Lewis probably couldn't. Using his long jab doesn't work in the real world.

Just that that long jab would probably ko mqost average joes

[cupocity303]

Lewis probably would KO a street fighter with his jab if he lands it on them.

Tell me, can Lewis keep someone off him with his jab the same way he does in a ring, where he knows the agreed upon rules, and if a fighter comes to close, he grabs him and expects the ref to break it up and restart the whole thing.

That's what Wlad, Vitali, Lewis and many others expect in the ring. Protection from the ref.

Aggressive fighting style Boxers transition better in a street fight then Boxers.

[CubanGuyNYC]

It's in a man's nature to think he can fight and do damage to another man if he wanted to.

This is an extremely perceptive statement. One of the most insightful things I've ever read on this forum. Green K.

Not just that... Floyd and manny have been through the ringer. Just like there are millions who aspire to be pro basketball players, football players , etc, but don't cut it...... out of thousands and thousands of boxers who want to even make it to contender status just won't because they don't have the physical ability, skill, athletic prowess, CHIN, heart etc.... That gets you to that level. It is ****** and naive to think that your average Joe of the street can beat a guy who has gotten above thousands and thousands of others who aspire to make it a combat sport that thrives on natural selection or survival of the fittest. Ts is a big idiot.

Great post. You covered a favorite subject of mine. Most people can't begin to appreciate the ability of someone (not just a champion boxer) who competes successfully on a worldwide level. The thinking is similar to the above post.

Green K to you, as well.

[uoykcuf]

In a street fight a boxer isn't going to fight fair either and he might not even box like he does in the ring. He could be the one tackling people and taking them to the ground and beat the snot out of them.

[cupocity303]

In a street fight a boxer isn't going to fight fair either and he might not even box like he does in the ring. He could be the one tackling people and taking them to the ground and beat the snot out of them.

Possibly, hence why I'm not repeating what the TS said, and saying with certainty that an Average Joe beats Floyd.

It's safe to assume that a shoulder roll, counter strategy wouldn't work outside the ring, when rough house tactics are on the table. But yes, he just might turn street and beat the **** out of a pedestrian. And seeing how he is in better shape, would have stamina for more than just a typical one minute catfight.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

This is an extremely perceptive statement. One of the most insightful things I've ever read on this forum. Green K.

Great post. You covered a favorite subject of mine. Most people can't begin to appreciate the ability of someone (not just a champion boxer) who competes successfully on a worldwide level. The thinking is similar to the above post.

Green K to you, as well.

I agree....also, about a man believing he can fight just because he is in fact a man...that's SO TRUE...I frequently use the following quote of mine as a status on facebook:

"Tell a man he can't beat Kobe in one on one, he can't beat Usain Bolt in a foot race and he can't hit a Randy Johnson fastball and he'll say, 'sure you're right' but tell him he cant fight? He can't last just three rounds in a ring with a real boxer if he wanted to? He'll swear you're crazy."