Ref topic: Have Smoger or Bayless ever had an off night that you can remember?

[the niggest]

wrong

the man the closest to the action is the ref, hence he can and has to react real quick when needed, because nobody can act faster than him

some refs are too ******ed to stop the fight when it has to be stopped just as is the case with the corner, but the ref is supposed to be unbiased and look for the good of the fighters health and not anything else, while the corner may have their own reasons not to stop the fight, good or wrong

Briggs VS Vitali is a perfect and recent example : corner AND the ref too ******ed to stop a nonsensical massacre

Briggs said to his corner no matter what, don't stop it, and those idiots listened to him

it is the role of the ref to protect the fighters, his duty, period

honestly

if a fighter gets hurt.... thats just the name of the game. This is boxing.

i can say it again and again

"early" stoppages is something new, early stoppages didn't exist when boxing was at it's peak popularity.

this early stoppage and "protect the fighter" is some ***gy communist bull****. they KNOW the risks ffs.

[uoykcuf]

Imagine if Smoger had stopped the Pavlik/Taylor fight when Pavlik looked like he was out of it flopping all over the ring.

[the niggest]

He's probably a fan of Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage. Boxers know the risk when they choose this as their profession.

Word.

i honestly don't get how a true boxing fan can be a fan of early stoppages. i really don't.

early stoppages are counter productive, they are ruining boxing, turning away casual fans, and generally decreasing the popularity.

being concerned about fighters well being is honestly just lame

they are grown men

more often than not they want to continue

they know the risks

i am certain most pro figters would tell these early stoppage supporters who pretend to be concerned about their well being to go just **** themselves.

no pro fighter likes an early stoppage, it ruins the chances for them, in alot of fights that has been stopped early you never know the guy might very well have turned it around and won

early stoppages are ruining it for both fans and fighters.

[Tiozzo]

this is boxing not ballet dancing ffs

they know the risks, boxing was FINE 40, 50 and 60 years ago as far as stoppages go. They didn't stop it early like they do today.

early stoppages are ruining the sport, it turns casual fans away, it doesn't provide excitement and it's not enjoyable to watch. end of story.

you're mixing things up, and that's not good for your argumentation

an early stoppage is usually desbribed as a stoppage that occurs when the fighter is not in danger, i.e. he can still defend himself and still fights back, in other words, he doesn't take too much punishment in a one sided affair

you said there should be no intervention from the ref at all, which means the fighters would have to collapse and fail to get up for a fight to be stopped

the way it is now has nothing to do with early stoppages : fights should be stopped when a fighter is in danger, and most refs do a good job, early stoppages are a rarity, or close to it overall

[Check]

Thats not a flaw... at all.

Aslong as a fighter is still standing it SHOULD go on.

It should not be stopped until the fighter is laying on the canvas and can't get up in 10 secs.

That's how they did in the old days, you know the times when boxing was at it's peak?

I wanna see fighters get knocked the **** out, not stopped because they're taking too much puishment. This is boxing ffs.

Let them continue until they're laying unconcsious or semi unconscious on the canvas I say.

Thank GOD, smoger doesn't stop fights early which is a bunch of nancy school girly fairy **** bull****.

Early stoppages is one of the reasons boxing is losing popularity.

What a great post. These fan boys get so connected to these fighters that they can't bear the idea of their fighters getting beat down. It's boxing, it's fighting, let em fight. Boxing has become soft and the modern day fan has became equally soft. Boxing is supposed to be violent, people are supposed to bleed and get hurt.

Sadly, I have to spread around karma before I hit you up again.

[the niggest]

you're mixing things up, and that's not good for your argumentation

an early stoppage is usually desbribed as a stoppage that occurs when the fighter is not in danger, i.e. he can still defend himself and still fights back, in other words, he doesn't take too much punishment in a one sided affair

you said there should be no intervention from the ref at all, which means the fighters would have to collapse and fail to get up for a fight to be stopped

the way it is now has nothing to do with early stoppages : fights should be stopped when a fighter is in danger, and most refs do a good job, early stoppages are a rarity, or close to it overall

If the ref stops it before the fighter has gone down on the canvas and cant get up in 10 secs.

it is an early stoppage period.

a fight shouldn't be stopped until the fighter is laying on the canvas and cant get up, anything less is an early stoppage.

[the niggest]

Imagine if Smoger had stopped the Pavlik/Taylor fight when Pavlik looked like he was out of it flopping all over the ring.

"Tiozzo" would have been screaming for that fight to have been stopped after Pavlik went down lol

theres probably 100's of fights like that except the ref stopped it early... where we will never know what would have really happened if the fight was allowed to go on.

[Tiozzo]

honestly

if a fighter gets hurt.... thats just the name of the game. This is boxing.

i can say it again and again

"early" stoppages is something new, early stoppages didn't exist when boxing was at it's peak popularity.

this early stoppage and "protect the fighter" is some ***gy communist bull****. they KNOW the risks ffs.

they know the risks

they also know their trainer and the ref are supposed to protect them if they can't do that themselves

you say '' it used not to be like that'', well, wake up, why do you think they operated those changes ? people were getting hurt, and the fights were disgusting the audience sometimes when it was too brutal

comes a moment in a fight when this is not boxing anymore, it is an assault, a ''legal assault''

He's probably a fan of Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage. Boxers know the risk when they choose this as their profession.

don't be ******ed, you're ruining the little credibility you have

[Tiozzo]

"Tiozzo" would have been screaming for that fight to have been stopped after Pavlik went down lol

theres probably 100's of fights like that except the ref stopped it early... where we will never know what would have really happened if the fight was allowed to go on.

you are stubborn and your view doesn't make sense, I'm ending this discussion straight away

[BattleAxePurist]

If the ref stops it before the fighter has gone down on the canvas and cant get up in 10 secs.

it is an early stoppage period.

a fight shouldn't be stopped until the fighter is laying on the canvas and cant get up, anything less is an early stoppage.

couldn't disagree more