Greater Ring Intelligence: HOPKINS or mayweather?

[tredh]

You're missing the point.

Floyd has amazing natural athletic ability. He can do things, and get away with things, hopkins simply cannot do.

Most of the adjusting Floyd does in his fights are simply getting his opponents speed & timing down, then he knows the correct amount of distance he needs to keep. He adjusts in the ring. That's why he typically takes a couple rounds before he performs well (like against Mosley or Judah for example).

Hopkins studies his opponents, comes up with specific gameplans for each of his opponents. He takes away his opponents best weapons and uses it against them. For example once he took Pavlik's 1-2 away from him, he knew he wouldn't have anything else. The same was true for Tarver. Against Winky, knew his best weapon was his jab, so he smothered him, never allowing him to use his best weapon. Again, these are specific game plans that he executes. Even in his losses, like to Calzaghe, there was a gameplan and he executed it. He knew calzaghe's best weapon was volume punching, so he had to cut that down but moving laterally a lot and tying him up. The only issue there was his stamina in the second half of the fight. Against Pascal, he knew he had to be the aggressor and press the action. etc etc etc.

Floyd to me pretty much does the same stuff in each fight. He goes in there, feels them out, adjusts to the speed/timing of his opponent and that's it. Whereas bhop will fight completely different based on his opponents strengths/weaknesses.

Not missing the point at all just don't agree with the point some people are making just like some don't agree with mine

[champion4ever]

I say Hopkins because he is the epitome of the throwback fighter. Not only does he continue his fundamentally sound boxing at the advanced age of 46 but he is the master of subterfuge and gamesmanship as well. Moreover, he implements every dirty and illegal tactic in the boxing rule book. He knows how to work a referee and apply this craft beautifully when necessary. For instance, when the ref isn't looking, he'll resort to throwing several low blows; Especially in the clinches and use subtle headbutts, as weapons in order to cause cuts, over his opponents eyes. The best part about it is he gets away with it. His cheating goes undetected. Additionally, he has this uncanny ability of selling injuries on fake fouls as well, in order to catch a breather in bouts; Such as were the cases in the Calzaghe and Jones' fights.

[kbpoetree]

I say Hopkins because he is the epitome of the throwback fighter. Not only does he continue his fundamentally sound boxing at the advanced age of 46 but he is the master of subterfuge and gamesmanship as well. Moreover, he implements every dirty and illegal tactic in the boxing rule book. He knows how to work a referee and apply this craft beautifully when necessary. For instance, when the ref isn't looking, he'll resort to throwing several low blows; Especially in the clinches and use subtle headbutts, as weapons in order to cause cuts, over his opponents eyes. The best part about it is he gets away with it. His cheating goes undetected. Additionally, he has this uncanny ability of selling injuries on fake fouls as well, in order to catch a breather in bouts; Such as were the cases in the Calzaghe and Jones' fights.

lol atlho u bring out the bad points of Hopkins intelligence..nonetheless that is part of the game indeed and part of his schemes...cant call what ya cant see

[William Blake]

Hopkins has a WAY better resume than Floyd. Look at how long he's been winning for and who he has done it against.

Floyd? He's too busy at strip clubs challenging police to fight, oh on "retirement" I mean.

Floyd has chosen not to live up to his potential. Reap the rewards sucker.

[dc3383]

Its really a toss-up; B-Hop is better at setting traps; Floyd is better at adjustments

[The Big Dunn]

Hopkins has a WAY better resume than Floyd. Look at how long he's been winning for and who he has done it against.

Floyd? He's too busy at strip clubs challenging police to fight, oh on "retirement" I mean.

Floyd has chosen not to live up to his potential. Reap the rewards sucker.

So you base your answer to who has more ring intelligence, in part, with out of the ring actions and statements. Then you justify this because floyd, a 1st ballot HOF whasn't lived up to his potential.

What is the potential if 1st ballot HOf isn't enough? Best ever? Please explain.

[BoxingGenius27]

I would have to say Mayweather by far.

When was the last time Mayweather defeated an opponent via Grappling/Wrestling/Holding, Headbutts, or faking being hit by low blows?

[champion4ever]

Remember when B-Hops lost those fights to Taylor and Calzaghe he was in his early 40s. Now while I mean no disrespect to Floyd or trying to detract anything away from his ring accomplishments but to be objective in this matter; Floyd has yet to reach the age of 40 and dominate guys who were considered p4p or nearly twenty years younger than himself as Hopkins has done in his career.

[Kagami Taiga]

Mayweather ahead on the polls ,this really is NSB,you may aswell have named the poll 'how many *****s troll these boards?'

i dont see whats wrong with that. its not as if bhop is clearly superior. they are 1a and 1b in this category.

some of the **** floyd does to his opponents after figuring them out is simply amazing and pretty much unparalelled. i dont think its fair to criticize him for his natural abilities. he has them and he uses them in junction with his major intelligence.

[The Gambler1981]

I just don't see how anyone rates them that differently~

Look at what they are trying to accomplish in the ring each time they go out,

1 Both want to spoil the other guy, they go about it in different ways but both almost always get a guy off the plan that best serves them and onto whatever they want to do.

2 Both love to use range by being just out of range to get the other guy to make the first move. On top of that both know that the safe places are outside of range or inside range and both rarely linger in no mans land where so many fighters get caught nasty.

3 Both are unafraid to use dirty tactics, B-Hop is a little more known for this but Floyd does use his fair share

4 Both are artists with the straight right hand

5 Both are very much trying to beat their opponent mentally as opposed to physically

6 Both take a very minimum of risks

7 Both don't care if a fight is boring or not as long as they are winning or the fight is close enough to think they are winning.

I just don't see the real difference other than superficial stylistic differences, the pillars that both rest on are the same.