Greater Ring Intelligence: HOPKINS or mayweather?

[tredh]

Someone anyone please explain to me what physical gifts or talent has to do with intelligence.

So is the best athlete in high school who has a 4.0 g.p.a smarter then the non-athletic nerd who also has 4.0 g.p.a.?

[kbpoetree]

Someone anyone please explain to me what physical gifts or talent has to do with intelligence.

So is the best athlete in high school who has a 4.0 g.p.a smarter then the non-athletic nerd who also has 4.0 g.p.a.?

not smarter but his athletic ability gets him by easier..the non athlete has to b smarter......its kinda like someone crazy like Mayorga can take shots to the chin and not worry..however someone like Jones has to b crafty and dodge those chin punches...Mayorga has a gifted chin..Jones Jr does not..Jr however being a smarter fighter....mayb a bad example but best i got on the fly lol

[The_Demon]

Mayweather ahead on the polls ,this really is NSB,you may aswell have named the poll 'how many *****s troll these boards?'

[tredh]

not smarter but his athletic ability gets him by easier..the non athlete has to b smarter......its kinda like someone crazy like Mayorga can take shots to the chin and not worry..however someone like Jones has to b crafty and dodge those chin punches...Mayorga has a gifted chin..Jones Jr does not..Jr however being a smarter fighter....mayb a bad example but best i got on the fly lol

This where we will disagree. Intelligence is not a factor in athletic ability. Intelligence is about what PBF and B-Hop see in that ring and how fast they breakdown and process that information. Talent, physical gifts and athletic ability has absolutely nothing to do with that. Now after that information is processed and broken down is when physical gifts and talent becomes a factor. IMO PBF processes and breaks down what he sees in the ring faster than B-Hop does.

Its just like in football Tom Brady can read defenses better than Mike Vick so many would consider Brady smarter but Vick is way more athletic than Brady. Vick's athletic superiority over Brady has no bearing on how well they read defenses and break down those coverages

[kbpoetree]

This where we will disagree. Intelligence is not a factor in athletic ability. Intelligence is about what PBF and B-Hop see in that ring and how fast they breakdown and process that information. Talent, physical gifts and athletic ability has absolutely nothing to do with that. Now after that information is processed and broken down is when physical gifts and talent becomes a factor. IMO PBF processes and breaks down what he sees in the ring faster than B-Hop does.

exactly intelligence has no factor in athletic ability...athletic ability is natural...unlearned..wich is what i feel Mayweather has more of...he is def a smart smart man no doubt....i jus feel he has won many fights based on his speed alone not his smarts...if ya feel me??? i'm not totally disagreeing with u on most aspects..jus i guess the one about Mayweather being smarter..Hopkins has done his homework no doubt..i def tho take nothing away from Mayweathers smarts...u must have some to stay undefeated no doubt

[ИATAS]

This where we will disagree. Intelligence is not a factor in athletic ability. Intelligence is about what PBF and B-Hop see in that ring and how fast they breakdown and process that information. Talent, physical gifts and athletic ability has absolutely nothing to do with that. Now after that information is processed and broken down is when physical gifts and talent becomes a factor. IMO PBF processes and breaks down what he sees in the ring faster than B-Hop does.

You're missing the point.

Floyd has amazing natural athletic ability. He can do things, and get away with things, hopkins simply cannot do.

Most of the adjusting Floyd does in his fights are simply getting his opponents speed & timing down, then he knows the correct amount of distance he needs to keep. He adjusts in the ring. That's why he typically takes a couple rounds before he performs well (like against Mosley or Judah for example).

Hopkins studies his opponents, comes up with specific gameplans for each of his opponents. He takes away his opponents best weapons and uses it against them. For example once he took Pavlik's 1-2 away from him, he knew he wouldn't have anything else. The same was true for Tarver. Against Winky, knew his best weapon was his jab, so he smothered him, never allowing him to use his best weapon. Again, these are specific game plans that he executes. Even in his losses, like to Calzaghe, there was a gameplan and he executed it. He knew calzaghe's best weapon was volume punching, so he had to cut that down but moving laterally a lot and tying him up. The only issue there was his stamina in the second half of the fight. Against Pascal, he knew he had to be the aggressor and press the action. etc etc etc.

Floyd to me pretty much does the same stuff in each fight. He goes in there, feels them out, adjusts to the speed/timing of his opponent and that's it. Whereas bhop will fight completely different based on his opponents strengths/weaknesses.

[The Big Dunn]

You're missing the point.

Floyd has amazing natural athletic ability. He can do things, and get away with things, hopkins simply cannot do.

Most of the adjusting Floyd does in his fights are simply getting his opponents speed & timing down, then he knows the correct amount of distance he needs to keep. He adjusts in the ring. That's why he typically takes a couple rounds before he performs well (like against Mosley or Judah for example).

Hopkins studies his opponents, comes up with specific gameplans for each of his opponents. He takes away his opponents best weapons and uses it against them. For example once he took Pavlik's 1-2 away from him, he knew he wouldn't have anything else. The same was true for Tarver. Against Winky, knew his best weapon was his jab, so he smothered him, never allowing him to use his best weapon. Again, these are specific game plans that he executes. Even in his losses, like to Calzaghe, there was a gameplan and he executed it. He knew calzaghe's best weapon was volume punching, so he had to cut that down but moving laterally a lot and tying him up. The only issue there was his stamina in the second half of the fight. Against Pascal, he knew he had to be the aggressor and press the action. etc etc etc.

Floyd to me pretty much does the same stuff in each fight. He goes in there, feels them out, adjusts to the speed/timing of his opponent and that's it. Whereas bhop will fight completely different based on his opponents strengths/weaknesses.

Good post.

[kbpoetree]

You're missing the point.

Floyd has amazing natural athletic ability. He can do things, and get away with things, hopkins simply cannot do.

Most of the adjusting Floyd does in his fights are simply getting his opponents speed & timing down, then he knows the correct amount of distance he needs to keep. He adjusts in the ring. That's why he typically takes a couple rounds before he performs well (like against Mosley or Judah for example).

Hopkins studies his opponents, comes up with specific gameplans for each of his opponents. He takes away his opponents best weapons and uses it against them. For example once he took Pavlik's 1-2 away from him, he knew he wouldn't have anything else. The same was true for Tarver. Against Winky, knew his best weapon was his jab, so he smothered him, never allowing him to use his best weapon. Again, these are specific game plans that he executes. Even in his losses, like to Calzaghe, there was a gameplan and he executed it. He knew calzaghe's best weapon was volume punching, so he had to cut that down but moving laterally a lot and tying him up. The only issue there was his stamina in the second half of the fight. Against Pascal, he knew he had to be the aggressor and press the action. etc etc etc.

Floyd to me pretty much does the same stuff in each fight. He goes in there, feels them out, adjusts to the speed/timing of his opponent and that's it. Whereas bhop will fight completely different based on his opponents strengths/weaknesses.

yeah thanks for putten it a lil more simplistic than i lol i have hard times putten down on paper what i really am tryna say lol..

[tredh]

exactly intelligence has no factor in athletic ability...athletic ability is natural...unlearned..wich is what i feel Mayweather has more of...he is def a smart smart man no doubt....i jus feel he has won many fights based on his speed alone not his smarts...if ya feel me??? i'm not totally disagreeing with u on most aspects..jus i guess the one about Mayweather being smarter..Hopkins has done his homework no doubt..i def tho take nothing away from Mayweathers smarts...u must have some to stay undefeated no doubt

I get what you saying of course and I am not downplaying PBF natural gifts. We just agree and see things certain little things differently is all.

If you watch football you will see players who have more natural gifts than the player who starts before them but when the coach is asked why less gifted player is starting the coach will say because that player reads the play faster. So a person can be way more naturally gifted than the other person but if they not smart enough to know how to use those gifts what good are those gifts?

[RisAri0]

the way I see it... B-Hop has game plans and exposes ur weaknesses.. Floyd just adapts to ur skill set and figures u out