Greater Ring Intelligence: MAYWEATHER or pacquiao?

[PunchesNbuncheS]

I wonder who would win a poll asking "Who is blacker?"

Or who has bigger calves?

Ha ha whats up Noose at least you get it and feel like I do!

[madsweeney]

Are we talking overall intelligence or strictly ring intelligence?

Because Hopkins is a smart person who knows quite a bit about many different things like world history, musical history, boxing history and many other things but if were talking just pure ring intelligence/boxing smarts, Im sorry but Floyd has a higher ring IQ than anyone and that includes B-Hop, Ward and Marquez.

Although Hopkins is one smart motherfuc&er in the ring as well but Floyd is on a different level.

it is arguable that BHop has the greater IQ. He relies on skills and that IQ to win his fight at his advanced age. Floyd definitely is a genius in the ring, but has always had his physical gifts to carry him as well. We're talking about saying one guy has an IQ of 130 and the other 132.


Speaking of IQ, you guys completely missed the point of my comment.

[PunchesNbuncheS]

it is arguable that BHop has the greater IQ. He relies on skills and that IQ to win his fight at his advanced age. Floyd definitely is a genius in the ring, but has always had his physical gifts to carry him as well. We're talking about saying one guy has an IQ of 130 and the other 132.


Speaking of IQ, you guys completely missed the point of my comment.

I got it bro, I understood what you were trying to say. Its just that the B-Hop/Floyd comment at the end got my attention and I responded to that but to what you ere trying to say I agree.

Just because someone doesnt have as high of a ring IQ as another fighter doesnt mean that the fighter with the lower ring IQ is a complete idiot/mindless drone who just throws punches without giving it much thought. All it means is that the other guy has a higher ring IQ thats it.

And since people were calling Pac a ******ed joke because he isnt as smart as Floyd when it comes to ring smarts that led you to make the the Floyd/Hopkins comment to try and give another example but that one is way way closer in terms of boxing IQ than Floyd/Pac.

But I have to respectfully disagree. To me Hopkins takes longer than Floyd in figuring out opponents and takes longer to make the adjustments where as Floyd makes the adjustments mid round when it takes Hopkins a round or 2 to fully make them. Plus to me Floyd is just slicker, cleaner fighter than Hopkins and when Hopkins does it its like a raw rugged form of what Floyd has come to polish and present it as pure slickness. But they are both very very smart.

[tatangb45]

Wait - he didn't even vote?

I did not vote because it is consistent to what I have been trying to get into your thick brains. Trying to show who has more RI is subjective and subject to bias. You were presented with a comparison between Floyd's and Pac's achievements in WW especially with regards to common opponents. The records clearly favors Pac. He is a smaller fighter competing with bigger guys and yet he out performed Floyd overall. That accomplishment alone should have given you guys a pause before casting your votes for Floyd.

I did not see any valid justification in any of the posts here that warranted Floyd's edge over Pac. Except for Marquez, which, like I mentioned, can be attributed more to the difference in size and reach, and the division where they competed, the results on the other three common opponents, are clearly in Pac's favor.

I can make a valid claim that Pac's overall advantage over Floyd is due mainly to his superior RI and you guys would have a difficult time refuting that. You can try and spin it any way you want but it won't alter the records. How a smaller guy with a supposedly inferior boxing technique, was able to out perform a supposedly brainier boxer, could not have been possible without a better RI.

The thread's main topic is who has a higher RI. What better approach to make a sensible opinion, than to compare their track records on common opponents. You cannot base it on what this guy A did to this or that boxer if the other guy B has not faced the same opponents, especially if boxer A's resume is inferior to boxer B.

Let me be clear on this, I am not making a definite claim that Pac has a superior RI than Floyd. I merely presented some very valid arguments that contrary to common beliefs, Floyd might not possess an advantage over Pac in this area.

Lastly, just because most people voted for Floyd, it does not mean that they are correct. Like earlier mentioned, somebody still has to come up with a better reason favoring Floyd than what have been presented so far.

[Unknown Champ]

the poll shows an absolute blowout ive never seen before

[PunchesNbuncheS]

I did not vote because it is consistent to what I have been trying to get into your thick brains. Trying to show who has more RI is subjective and subject to bias. You were presented with a comparison between Floyd's and Pac's achievements in WW especially with regards to common opponents. The records clearly favors Pac. He is a smaller fighter competing with bigger guys and yet he out performed Floyd overall. That accomplishment alone should have given you guys a pause before casting your votes for Floyd.

I did not see any valid justification in any of the posts here that warranted Floyd's edge over Pac. Except for Marquez, which, like I mentioned, can be attributed more to the difference in size and reach, and the division where they competed, the results on the other three common opponents, are clearly in Pac's favor.

I can make a valid claim that Pac's overall advantage over Floyd is due mainly to his superior RI and you guys would have a difficult time refuting that. You can try and spin it any way you want but it won't alter the records. How a smaller guy with a supposedly inferior boxing technique, was able to out perform a supposedly brainier boxer, could not have been possible without a better RI.

The thread's main topic is who has a higher RI. What better approach to make a sensible opinion, than to compare their track records on common opponents. You cannot base it on what this guy A did to this or that boxer if the other guy B has not faced the same opponents, especially if boxer A's resume is inferior to boxer B.

Let me be clear on this, I am not making a definite claim that Pac has a superior RI than Floyd. I merely presented some very valid arguments that contrary to common beliefs, Floyd might not possess an advantage over Pac in this area.

Lastly, just because most people voted for Floyd, it does not mean that they are correct. Like earlier mentioned, somebody still has to come up with a better reason favoring Floyd than what have been presented so far.

This right here is thee smartest of the Pac army soldiers but somehow not smart enough to know hes in denial!

[The Noose]

Or who has bigger calves?

Ha ha whats up Noose at least you get it and feel like I do!

Sup negro.

Calves is debatable. Pre or post PED's? lol



Never enter into these Pacwank vs Flojob threads without latex gloves on. Theres seamen and bull***** everywehere.

[gatorDelux]

floyd has a higher ring IQ but pac has a style that COULD beat him.

[gatorDelux]

Sup negro.

Calves is debatable. Pre or post PED's? lol



Never enter into these Pacwank vs Flojob threads without latex gloves on. Theres seamen and bull***** everywehere.

first off...

u have the best sig i have ever seen in my life. green K'ing that ****

second i hate to get int a pac-floyd argument but when i watch old pac fights...

his calves were always huge and when he was skinnier his calves looked out of proprtion

[tatangb45]

floyd has a higher ring IQ but pac has a style that COULD beat him.

This is what I have been pointing at. A statement without anything to support it.