Jeff Mayweather: Floyd has already fought Victor Ortiz

[MindBat]

I'm pretty much ok with this.
Pacquiao and Mayweather have kept the WW division interesting. It rests on their shoulders alone right now. Wasn't true a couple of years ago, but it is now. Them meeting up is the only meaningful fight at that division unless folks move into that division from other lower divisions.

But rosales' post sums it up for me pretty well.

Both pacquiao and mw have been lucky with availability of attractive opponents.

Pacquiao has carefully moved to higher weight classes against opponents that worked for him. Lucky devil, he is. Makes business sense, though.

Mayweather has been lucky in that the "top rated" opponents were not much at that point against him, i.e.: Marquez, Mosley, and soon to be Ortiz. Makes business sense, though.

Those guys called Floyd out when they were in the top #2 positions.

How soon people forget that virtually everyone was calling Floyd a "coward"
a "ducker" "scared" for not fighting Shane Mosley when Shane Mosley called him out in front of millions the world over.

Many were predicting Shane would knock Floyd out. Many changed their alts to new alts when it was all said and done.

[The Big Dunn]

Point is he didn't lose 2 pounds of lean muscles.

He had weighed in at 146 for almost half of his WW fights.

Also when he weighed in at 146 against Clottey he was laughing it up. That's not something a guy who's struggling to make weight does. Clottey on the other hand was drinking gallons of water. That's what someone who struggling to make weight does.

145 had no effect on the outcome.

If he had no trouble then why hasn't he returned to 147? Its not like 154 is where the money is at.

[Cash Cow]

Point #2 makes sense. But I don't think Manny is favored after a more than 1 year layoff agaisnt Vic.

I cant agree with this Dunn...Pac would without a doubt be favored IMO.

[The Big Dunn]

I cant agree with this Dunn...Pac would without a doubt be favored IMO.

A lot of people feel the same so I understand. I think 16 months is too long for Pac with his style, volume punching and subtle defense based on timing.

[1nonlymre]

Those guys called Floyd out when they were in the top #2 positions.

How soon people forget that virtually everyone was calling Floyd a "coward"
a "ducker" "scared" for not fighting Shane Mosley when Shane Mosley called him out in front of millions the world over.

Many were predicting Shane would knock Floyd out. Many changed their alts to new alts when it was all said and done.

I didn't predict shane would knock out mayweather and was surprised when he clocked him with those hard punches in rd. 2.

Everyone calls out mayweather, but if it doesn't make sense ($$$) he doesn't fight. I'm not knocking either pac or mw for their money-making sense. They are on point with that.

All i'm saying is that the ww division has been much lower in calibre compared to these two cats for a couple of years now. Ortiz stands out now, and it's best to hype him now for the sake of the upcoming fight, but realistically he's way below either mayweather or pacquiao.

Let's put it this way...not counting any moves into the ww division by fighters, of those who are there now..right now...who's left for pacquiao and mayweather to competitively fight after november 2011? Really nobody.

Now, if Kahn and Bradley come into the ww picture, then they are an attractive and lucrative option...but even then i would put them below pac and mayweather. Those two are just that much better than many folks around them right now.

Remember, you're only as good as the competition around you. pac and mw can both claim to be #1, but of what? a weak ww division? p4p?

Best scenarior for me? Let pac and may fight and the winner move up to bigger and better challenges in higher weight divisions.

[Pugilistic™]

Hatton and Ortiz fight nothing alike.

Hatton applied pressure using his fast footwork to close distance and then he would punch his way onto the inside normally behind his jab, hold his opponent and the work their body/head from the clinch. Hatton was a good body puncher and overall was good at putting hard punches together when he got inside. Hatton could box when he needed to also.

Ortiz is alot more patient, he actually boxes behind his southpaw jab and looks to land big right hooks and straight lefts. He is also very good at putting punches together when his opponents are on the ropes. To be honest, that's were Ortiz is most effective.

Now I'm not saying that because they fight nothing alike means Ortiz has a chance because imo, he is getting popped with Floyd's jabs and right hands all night long. Floyd is simply too smart and too well rounded for Ortiz to deal with.

Only way Ortiz wins is if age/ring rust catch up with Floyd.

[SERVILEV]

Because unlike the last 6 opponents that Pacquiao fought, Ortiz is on top and the #2 WW champion of the world.

It seems that half of this forum doesn't factor in that a win is judged by the rank of an opponent as well as the condition and standing he was in at the time of a fight.

Ortiz is 24 years young, in his prime, and a champion. He is coming off of a win, not a huge career loss with a meaningless tune up in between.

Victor Ortiz just beat a champion to get his title and that's yet another thing thing that Pacquiao and Cotto don't do. They would rather compete for vacant belts for the majority of their careers and that's exactly what they have done.

When was the last time Pacquiao fought a prime champion who was still on top and not coming off a huge career loss? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Can you guess?

His name was Juan Manuel Marquez!

The Mayweather's talk **** all of the time. Its not the same as being full of ****.

Being full of **** would be agreeing to all terms in order to make a megafight and then stalling the fight for over a year. THAT WOULD BE FULL OF ****!!!

As much as some of you don't like the **** talking that Team Mayweather does, it obviously works well for them as Floyd remains the PPV King of World Championship Professional Boxing. If you think that people don't tune in to Mayweather 24/7 to hear him, his uncle and his father talk ****, then you're naive and in denial. That's the MAIN reason people tune in to watch 24/7, and the ratings show that its a success.

LOL@ stumped. In your dreams.

aaw poor baby still butt hurt Pacq ****d your fighters..

[Gino Ros]

How can Floyd be stronger than Ortiz?

[Brother Jay]

In other words, it doesn't matter if Ortiz is a good boxer or not, he just has to win at the right place at the right time for Floyd to conveniently come back from retirement.

The same thing could be and should be said about Pacquiao. Except the difference between Pacquiao and Ortiz is that Ortiz beat a legitimate young champion for his title. Pacquiao fought Cotto once Cotto defeated unknown Michael Jennings for a vacant title.

So yes, Pacquiao is ALL ABOUT THE TIMING. Fighting 6 WWs who were once at the top of the division at the time when they were all ranked 5th is ALL ABOUT TIMING.

Ortiz fought Berto when he was on top, undefeated and still in his prime. How does that make Ortiz an opportunist? I'll be waiting to hear your brilliant answer.

Floyd came out of retirement and fought Marquez because Pacquiao wouldn't give the man a rematch. Marquez and Mayweather have both said as much. Pacquiao had been running from that 3rd match for 3 years.

Then Floyd fought the #1 WW champion of the world Shane Mosley, When Shane was coming off of a KO win over Margarito when Margarito was on top.

How is that opportunistic? Fighting a boxer when he is ranked #1, on top and coming off of a tremendous win over a top WW is sneaky and calculating? Shane had the opportunity to fight Mayweather YEARS AGO but declined citing tooth problems. How have you forgotten that? The burden is not on Mayweather to MAKE shane fight when the fight was on the table.

Mayweather has consistently fought the #1 and #2 fighter in EVERY division he has competed in except jrWW where Tszyu priced himself out of a match. 14 years and undefeated. 14 years of fighting the best in each division.

Now you want to highlight the fact that Mayweather took of 2008 as some kind of tactic? Floyd fought in 2007. He fought in 2009.

What did Floyd duck? Better yet ... who was around in 2008 at WW that couldn't keep their **** together until 2009 so that they could make a case for being ducked?

You sound foolish. How can a fighter who can't stay relevant for even 12 months make a case for being "ducked"?

If you can explain that in logical terms, then I will concede this debate. However, if you cannot, you should seriously consider getting a different hobby as your boxing IQ is at a special needs level.

[tennis-legend]

mayweather fights another bum

wow- what NEWS- like thats never happened before