Jeff Mayweather: Floyd has already fought Victor Ortiz

[The Big Dunn]

But, it wasn't 2 pounds.

How much would you say? Taking into consideration Miguel never went back to 147, what was he losing to get to 145 from 147?

[jrosales13]

You don't think Manny's style and volume punching is affected by a long layoff? Also, Manny gets hit a lot. That time off could affect the subtle things in his defense.

Not really and it would be Floyd style that would be effected more so from a long layoff than Pac style would be.

[jrosales13]

How much would you say? Taking into consideration Miguel never went back to 147, what was he losing to get to 145 from 147?

It was 1 pound from his previous fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Not to mention making the CHAMPION of the division come down in weight. How often has that happened for a TITLE fight?

Yeah that was pu$$y but Manny brings in the big loot so he has the right to set the rules. I mean where else was cotto getting that kind of loot? Dude has a family to support.

[The Big Dunn]

It was 1 pound from his previous fight.

But thats not a fair way to look at it Jrosales. If he got down to 146 months ago he had a 1 lb wiggle room. Here he has no options. His making 146 was an accomplishment, making 145 is an obligation. They are not equal.

[1nonlymre]

A few quick points.

1. Floyd hasn't even gone for a year and half let alone nearly 2 years.

2. Ortiz being #2 WW has more to do with the state of the WW division than Ortiz accomplishments at the division.

Cotto was #2 with a belt at WW when Pac fought him. And, a better overall fighter than Ortiz is yet the same people trying to hype up Ortiz don't like to give Pac full credit for Cotto.

Which is ridiculous but whatever.

3. What exactly makes Ortiz hungry? Was he not hungry when he fought Maidana? Was he not hungry when he fought Campbell? Was he not hungry when he fought Peterson? What makes him hungry now?

The Berto win? Is that it? Becasue, he beat an average over hyped fighter for a belt? That said fight won from beating a Mexican cop who got fired for taking the fight?

Floyd-Ortiz is a legit fight. No question about it. Is the most meaningful and best fight that can be made that doesn't involve Manny Pacquiao at WW.

But, both Floyd and Pac are on another level than the rest of the WW division. Both Floyd and Pac against anyone else at WW is a mismatch.

I actually think Bradley could give Pac some fits here and there.

Ortiz wouldn't be able to fuck with Manny. Even if Pac had a long layoff of a year and a half he would still ruin Ortiz.

And, Ortiz is nothing like Hatton. Except maybe that both got overhyped by some.

I'm pretty much ok with this.
Pacquiao and Mayweather have kept the WW division interesting. It rests on their shoulders alone right now. Wasn't true a couple of years ago, but it is now. Them meeting up is the only meaningful fight at that division unless folks move into that division from other lower divisions.

But rosales' post sums it up for me pretty well.

Both pacquiao and mw have been lucky with availability of attractive opponents.

Pacquiao has carefully moved to higher weight classes against opponents that worked for him. Lucky devil, he is. Makes business sense, though.

Mayweather has been lucky in that the "top rated" opponents were not much at that point against him, i.e.: Marquez, Mosley, and soon to be Ortiz. Makes business sense, though.

[dc3383]

Oscar-Sturm and Hopkins?

I probably can name more if I wasn't late for work as well. But, that's irrelevant to what I was saying.

Because, that version of Cotto was better than this version of Ortiz IMO.

That version of Cotto was coming off a career changing loss to Margarito and a gift decision vs Clottey so lets not act Cotto was hot. Gomez was the last fight where Miguel looked gooded.

[jrosales13]

That version of Cotto was coming off a career changing loss to Margarito and a gift decision vs Clottey so lets not act Cotto was hot. Gomez was the last fight where Miguel looked gooded.

Close fight not a gift decision.

And, he had another tune up in between.

Regardless still better than this version of Ortiz IMO.

What makes Ortiz hot? Because, he beat an average fighter in Berto? Who won the title by beating a Mexican cop who got fired for taking the fight?

[jrosales13]

But thats not a fair way to look at it Jrosales. If he got down to 146 months ago he had a 1 lb wiggle room. Here he has no options. His making 146 was an accomplishment, making 145 is an obligation. They are not equal.

Point is he didn't lose 2 pounds of lean muscles.

He had weighed in at 146 for almost half of his WW fights.

Also when he weighed in at 146 against Clottey he was laughing it up. That's not something a guy who's struggling to make weight does. Clottey on the other hand was drinking gallons of water. That's what someone who struggling to make weight does.

145 had no effect on the outcome.

[antrecasner]

Perhaps you forgot about the completely ludicrous catch weight? name me another time when this scenario has occurred. Please name me another time when a fighter has already fought and won at a certain weight De La Hoya at 147) and then made the champion of that weight class come down to a catch weight (Cotto at 145). Let me know when the last time that happened was and who the fighters involved were.

Also Cotto was not the same after Margarito beat the bricks off em and he lost the fight to Clottey but of course got the gift decision so the Pac fight can stay on track.