Jeff Mayweather: Floyd has already fought Victor Ortiz

[Unknown Champ]

A few quick points.

1. Floyd hasn't even gone for a year and half let alone nearly 2 years.

2. Ortiz being #2 WW has more to do with the state of the WW division than Ortiz accomplishments at the division.

Cotto was #2 with a belt at WW when Pac fought him. And, a better overall fighter than Ortiz is yet the same people trying to hype up Ortiz don't like to give Pac full credit for Cotto.

Which is ridiculous but whatever.

3. What exactly makes Ortiz hungry? Was he not hungry when he fought Maidana? Was he not hungry when he fought Campbell? Was he not hungry when he fought Peterson? What makes him hungry now?

The Berto win? Is that it? Becasue, he beat an average over hyped fighter for a belt? That said fight won from beating a Mexican cop who got fired for taking the fight?

Floyd-Ortiz is a legit fight. No question about it. Is the most meaningful and best fight that can be made that doesn't involve Manny Pacquiao at WW.

But, both Floyd and Pac are on another level than the rest of the WW division. Both Floyd and Pac against anyone else at WW is a mismatch.

I actually think Bradley could give Pac some fits here and there.

Ortiz wouldn't be able to **** with Manny. Even if Pac had a long layoff of a year and a half he would still ruin Ortiz.

And, Ortiz is nothing like Hatton. Except maybe that both got overhyped by some.

He was hungrier in the Berto fight and thats why i picked him to win that fight. I could see that all the trash talk he had to deal with about the maidana fight got to him. He was knocked down twice in that fight w Berto and got up and didnt quit and ended up winning. So yes he is the hungriest he has ever been at this point in his career. Did I make myself clear??

[Code Red]

So if Ortiz is a poor mans Hatton then WHY are you fighting him and hyping up the fight so much?

As far as the Mayweathers are concerned any opponent up against Floyd is a piece of ****...have u ever seen a Mayweather 24/7, since when has the Mayweathers regarded any opponent as a threat to Floyd. Ortiz, Manny will be no different, vs Floyd, they ain't ****, and the Mayweather's are goinh to let you know, you aint ****!

[datum]

The same thing could be and should be said about Pacquiao. Except the difference between Pacquiao and Ortiz is that Ortiz beat a legitimate young champion for his title. Pacquiao fought Cotto once Cotto defeated unknown Michael Jennings for a vacant title.

So yes, Pacquiao is ALL ABOUT THE TIMING. Fighting 6 WWs who were once at the top of the division at the time when they were all ranked 5th is ALL ABOUT TIMING.

Ortiz fought Berto when he was on top, undefeated and still in his prime. How does that make Ortiz an opportunist? I'll be waiting to hear your brilliant answer.

Floyd came out of retirement and fought Marquez because Pacquiao wouldn't give the man a rematch. Marquez and Mayweather have both said as much. Pacquiao had been running from that 3rd match for 3 years.

Then Floyd fought the #1 WW champion of the world Shane Mosley, When Shane was coming off of a KO win over Margarito when Margarito was on top.

How is that opportunistic? Fighting a boxer when he is ranked #1, on top and coming off of a tremendous win over a top WW is sneaky and calculating? Shane had the opportunity to fight Mayweather YEARS AGO but declined citing tooth problems. How have you forgotten that? The burden is not on Mayweather to MAKE shane fight when the fight was on the table.

Mayweather has consistently fought the #1 and #2 fighter in EVERY division he has competed in except jrWW where Tszyu priced himself out of a match. 14 years and undefeated. 14 years of fighting the best in each division.

Now you want to highlight the fact that Mayweather took of 2008 as some kind of tactic? Floyd fought in 2007. He fought in 2009.

What did Floyd duck? Better yet ... who was around in 2008 at WW that couldn't keep their **** together until 2009 so that they could make a case for being ducked?

You sound foolish. How can a fighter who can't stay relevant for even 12 months make a case for being "ducked"?

If you can explain that in logical terms, then I will concede this debate. However, if you cannot, you should seriously consider getting a different hobby as your boxing IQ is at a special needs level.

Here's the thing "Mr. High Boxing IQ", you are so caught up in your blind ***** fanboyism that you automatically jump to his defense by discrediting Pacquiao when:

1. This is a thread about "Mayweather vs. Ortiz" in which I discuss the opportunistic manner in which Mayweather went about it and you agreed that it could be said about him.

2. In this thread about "Mayweather vs. Ortiz" I never brought up Pacquiao nor had I even compared him to Mayweather. It was you who started the comparisons.

3. If you search through all of my posts, not once have I said that Pacquiao was not an opportunistic boxer as well.

It's a shame because these two are as skilled as Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns but will never be fully appreciated because they both have very opportunistic mindsets. Mayweather in trying to keep his record unblemished and Pacquiao in trying to win as many belts in as many weight classes as possible.

[joesaiditstrue]

So if Ortiz is a poor mans Hatton then WHY are you fighting him and hyping up the fight so much?

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Bob Arum has featured heavily in the press lately for ridiculing the choice of new WBC champion Victor Ortiz as the next 'punchbag' for Floyd Mayweather.

The veteran promoter roared that in no shape or form, is a young gun like Ortiz ready to tackle the experience and guile of a fighter like Floyd Mayweather.

However prior to the comments made to Boxingscene.com, Arum had indicated that of all the current crop of Golden Boy fighters, the one that stood out to him as an opponent for Manny Pacquiao - was Victor Ortiz.

That statement was made before the news that Ortiz was lined up to defend his shiny new strap against the controversial Mayweather. Now it would seem that Arum's words hold no water.

Arum: "I had 11 years with Floyd and I say that fight won’t happen. For 11 years, I had problems getting him to consider a southpaw opponent. He refused to consider any southpaw except one and that was when he fought Zab Judah.”

[Brother Jay]

Here's the thing "Mr. High Boxing IQ", you are so caught up in your blind ***** fanboyism that you automatically jump to his defense by discrediting Pacquiao when:

1. This is a thread about "Mayweather vs. Ortiz" in which I discuss the opportunistic manner in which Mayweather went about it and you agreed that it could be said about him.

2. In this thread about "Mayweather vs. Ortiz" I never brought up Pacquiao nor had I even compared him to Mayweather. It was you who started the comparisons.

3. If you search through all of my posts, not once have I said that Pacquiao was not an opportunistic boxer as well.

It's a shame because these two are as skilled as Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns but will never be fully appreciated because they both have very opportunistic mindsets. Mayweather in trying to keep his record unblemished and Pacquiao in trying to win as many belts in as many weight classes as possible.

Its never just a Mayweather or Pacquiao thread.

Don't get butthurt because I slapped you and other peasants in the face with facts instead of empty opinions. I know that's what you're used to but I thought you'd like steak instead of Purina Cat Chow for a change.

And for all your little numbered points, I noticed that you had no answer for the question I posed. So ride the little short bus and shut the fcuk up.

That is all.

[Brother Jay]

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Keep 'em coming, brother.