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5 Major Reasons Manny Pacquiao Can Beat Floyd Mayweather
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Originally posted by sweetscience18 View Post1. Floyd adjusts in the ring and has many different defensive styles.
2. When you lean to your right that puts you to the left side of your oppinent which is the worst place to get hit with a right hand, ask gatti. And also floyd throws pretty good left hooks.
3. Its alot harder to throw 30 punches a round when your opposition if a counter puncher then that would play into floyds hands.
4. You doubt his chin will handle mannys bombs yet floyds never been knockedout, hasnt had a legit knockdown, and barely even staggered in his entire career besudes the mosley fight which it took him less than a round to recover. Also pac never knocked out marg whom mosley knocked out. Or clottey who didnt throw 30 punches a round and didnt seem to be hurt at anypount of their fight while juststanding there and blocking.
5. How do you know that he will lose and what type of fight he will losein if youve never seen him lose before?
2. gatti is not pacquiao- i'd be suprised if floyd even uses the shoulder roll against manny- look at what hatton was hit with- the shouder roll provides no defense against that shot
3. though floyd is a counter puncher- i still expect manny to outthrow him especially on power punches
4.floyd admitted shane hit him good and had him dazed- he illegally did the forearm hold thing- pac is not shane- pac doesn't land one good shot in a fight- and most of all, pac will continue to land throughout the fight- his stamina is better than mayweathers
5. stop talking out of your anus- castillo ****d mayweather- smacked his head clean off with left hands- pacquiao will be studying that video over and over
there is a blue print to beating mayweather-
freddie roach used De la Hoya as a test to see if he could replicate the castillo blueprint (he came very close)
manny (and possibly amir khan) have got the tools to destroy the mayweather defense
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Originally posted by tatangb45 View PostAnd Pac has fought bigger and stronger fighters with different styles and who were much better than Castillo, Baldomir or Mitchell, and he dominated them all. Plus, he did it in a much more dominant way than what Floyd has done to his opponents.
Floyd has deconstructed his opponents, he has taken their style and defused it or relinquished it from any sort of effectiveness. Floyd is one of the very few fighters to make a world champion or big name look average.
Pacquiao lost to Morales the same way he had a draw and split decision against JMM and in most of his fights, all he seems to do is just pressure and combo by coming forward. Not to discredit Pac because hey, its working for him right? Overwhelming an opponent by rushing them down is an effective tactic. Though when rushing down becomes walking into counters and missing your own punches, it becomes very ineffective and amateurish.
In shere versatility alone, Floyd dominates EVERYONE, nevermind his other qualities and abilities that separate him from the rest. Pacquiao only seems effective going forward and actually using both his hands. Thankfully he has a decent chin in order to eat the shots he gets hit with.
Really, what has Pacquiao done that Floyd hasn't or cannot done/do or top?
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Originally posted by skillswin View PostFloyd 40% 50% is something commun and manny is EZ to hit, how many times margarita hit him??? LOL
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When analyzing who most likely would win in a fight between two boxers, the first things to consider would be their physical differences; the size, reach, height, weight and age. Except for age, where the difference is not a big factor, everything else are on Floyd's favor.
The next to take into account is style. This is where things get a little dicey. There is nothing concretely conclusive that one's style is superior to the other, given the extraordinary attributes both fighters possess. Here, everything becomes speculative. Any debate becomes futile and leads only to endless points versus counterpoints. Both Pac and Floyd are proven elite fighters. If one of them is less than elite, then there won't be a big argument as to who will be victorious.
We now come to the next important factor to consider, track record. We have to limit this to their records at WW simply because this is where they would be meeting. Besides, Floyd's last fight lower than WW was close to six years ago. No one can still be physically the same person after six years. And the same goes for Pac.
There is no need to go into the details of their track records at WW. Anyone who considers himself knowledgeable in boxing should know these. There is also no need to point out that in this category, Pac's record is superior to Floyd's, both in the quality of opponents and the method in which they were won. There is nothing in Floyd's WW record that will show whether he can beat elite fighters since he has managed to avoid those threats throughout his WW career. Neither has he dominated his lesser opponents in the same degree as Pac did to his more superior challenges.
Based on the points mentioned above, is there any conclusive evidence that one fighter has the edge over the other? I believe the answer is NO.
Therefore, we are back to square one. The only way to find out is for them to settle this in the ring.
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As for my previous post I may have worded it to an extreme, but people forget that Manny is a lefty which have always given Floyd problems. All the Floyd fans can say that Floyd has great defense and accuracy and I agree but with a left that great defense drops to good at best. Floyd is open to a straight left, period. Also as much as you *****s try to say Manny sucks, the simple fact is that he doesn't he has fought and beaten all the guys Floyd never fought. You can call it ducking or they were too green or there wasn't enough money. Use whatever excuses you guys want but Floyd NEVER fought them and Manny did and only lost 4-5 rounds maximum against them.
Fact 1: Floyd doesn't throw many punches, you can't deny that. 40-50 punches is not a high workrate.
Fact 2: Floyd's shoulder roll is completely negated simply by that fact that Manny is a southpaw. Thus, as I stated his defense from the start is going to be less than it was against any right handed opponent.
Fact 3: All the southpaws that Floyd fought are NOWHERE near Manny's level.
Fact 4: Sure, Manny can be hit (easy my ass) he gets hit "a lot" because most guys he fights throw more than Floyd Margarito is a perfect example. And because Manny is so active, but because he is active for as much as he gets hit he lands 2 or more on the opponent.
My point is that Floyd obviously can win a decision but he isn't going to do it like he has been in past fights. Throwing 40-50 punches against Manny is going to cut it because he will simply overrun you. Also Manny isn't a light puncher, he can and probably will hurt Floyd especially if a 40 year old Mosley could do it. A far faster and more dynamic puncher in Manny will do it, and again he is a SOUTHPAW.
All that being said, Floyd can still win a decision. His right hand is simply put, perfect. Manny as people stated can be hit and a straight right is the punch do it, however, I'm not going to question Manny's chin especially against Floyd. Floyd hasn't KO'd anyone at WW since Hatton and he had to move up, then against a lightweight he couldn't put him away either, sorry but Floyd isn't KO'ing Manny at all IMO. That being said he might be able to make Manny think twice about coming in, but this is Manny we are talking about if you hit him he is going to try to get you back. All that being said WW Floyd is not LW Floyd, if somehow Mayweather can go back to his best version of offense and defense which to me was the Floyd who fought Gatti I can see him winning this fight. However, we have a Floyd who is content to pot shot through his fights, that isn't how you are going to beat Manny. Like I said Floyd is going to get outworked and nothing more, Manny will win by decision for this reason.Last edited by Beater_of_ass; 08-13-2011, 10:55 PM.
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Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View PostAll Manny has to do is throw 70 punches a round and he'll win by UD. Floyd's doesn't throw enough punches, people say he is in great shape which I'm sure he is but if you only throw 40-50 punches a round and stand in the pocket its pretty easy to keep your stamina. Even if Floyd lands 50% and Manny lands 30% of his punches but throws more than Floyd Manny will win off of nothing more than activity.
Manny will be able to take Floyds shots if he can take Cotto and Marg's shots. He never takes a break during the rounds and his head movement won't allow Floyd to land at will like it did against Marquez, Hatton and Mosley as neither of guys fight anything like Manny. Floyds only chance to win a fight against Manny IMO is a KO.
And if Floyd does hit hard then why does EVERY opponents punch numbers dramatically drop??? There's nothing that any of mannys past opponents do better than Floyd except maybe hit a little harder but their set up and angles are totally different from Floyd's!!
Manny can't be hurt by floyd...LOL gtfoh!!! U guys better hope his legs are gone (there not) or you'll see a clinic with manny having a few good moments that's about it!!!PHP Code:[PHP]
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Originally posted by RightStraight View PostWhat was more dominant about it? You're telling me Floyd winning against Castillo with one arm isn't as impressive as Pacquiao getting lucky against jmm?
Floyd has deconstructed his opponents, he has taken their style and defused it or relinquished it from any sort of effectiveness. Floyd is one of the very few fighters to make a world champion or big name look average.
Pacquiao lost to Morales the same way he had a draw and split decision against JMM and in most of his fights, all he seems to do is just pressure and combo by coming forward. Not to discredit Pac because hey, its working for him right? Overwhelming an opponent by rushing them down is an effective tactic. Though when rushing down becomes walking into counters and missing your own punches, it becomes very ineffective and amateurish.
In shere versatility alone, Floyd dominates EVERYONE, nevermind his other qualities and abilities that separate him from the rest. Pacquiao only seems effective going forward and actually using both his hands. Thankfully he has a decent chin in order to eat the shots he gets hit with.
Really, what has Pacquiao done that Floyd hasn't or cannot done/do or top?
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Originally posted by SincereDaGreat View PostIt's funny how u guys can say manny doesn't fight like this guy or that guy but make it seem like Floyd does...f'n ******ed!!! U guys complain about him boxing and getting out the way but when he goes toe to toe then his legs are gone...wtf???
And if Floyd does hit hard then why does EVERY opponents punch numbers dramatically drop??? There's nothing that any of mannys past opponents do better than Floyd except maybe hit a little harder but their set up and angles are totally different from Floyd's!!
Manny can't be hurt by floyd...LOL gtfoh!!! U guys better hope his legs are gone (there not) or you'll see a clinic with manny having a few good moments that's about it!!!PHP Code:[PHP]
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