Watching BHOP on ESPN, he said his best career win was Trinidad. Agree?

[jrosales13]

Looking back at it now i was thinking Hill lost every big mega fight he was in Hearns, Jones, Michaelwdkafdsif lol idk how to spell his name. Pavlik has two loses to Hopkins (before the fight Pavlik had Most fan on the bandwagon thinking he was going to end Hopkins career) and Martinez. But if you consider Hill has way more title defenses, i guess the Hill win is Better then Pavlik. But Considering Hopkins is in his 40's taking on fighters that are close to 20 years young, i think Pavlik was like 15-16 years younger then him. Hopkins IMO ruined Pavliks career at the moment. and Hearns didn't dominate Hill like Hopkins did Pavlik.

It maybe wasn't as dominant of a victory. But, you have to take into account that Hill was in his prime fighting in his natural weight-class. While Hearns was past prime fighting 4 weight-class above his best.

Hill also has a better overall resume than Pavlik. He accomplished more. I say the Hill win is better than the Pavlik win.

Pavlik win is good though, don't get me wrong just not as good as the Hill win IMO.

B-Hop has the better skills than Hearns. I can agree with that. And, in a H2H match up I think Hopkins would beat Hearns. However, Hearns has the greater wins, resume, accomplishments.

Hopkins might be the better fighter. But, I think Hearns is the greater fighter IMO.

[Ringlife]

It's what put B Hop on the map the first to knockout Tito.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Tarver is B-Hops best performance, Winky is B-Hop's best win.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Looking back at it now i was thinking Hill lost every big mega fight he was in Hearns, Jones, Michaelwdkafdsif lol idk how to spell his name.

Hill beat Henry Maske who was at the time considered the best light heavyweight in the world and almost unbeatable with his 6'5 frame

[IronDanHamza]

It maybe wasn't as dominant of a victory. But, you have to take into account that Hill was in his prime fighting in his natural weight-class. While Hearns was past prime fighting 4 weight-class above his best.

Hill also has a better overall resume than Pavlik. He accomplished more. I say the Hill win is better than the Pavlik win.

Pavlik win is good though, don't get me wrong just not as good as the Hill win IMO.

B-Hop has the better skills than Hearns. I can agree with that. And, in a H2H match up I think Hopkins would beat Hearns. However, Hearns has the greater wins, resume, accomplishments.

Hopkins might be the better fighter. But, I think Hearns is the greater fighter IMO.

The Hill win is definitely better and to me Hearns is definitely greater.

I don't really think it's that close.

[bojangles1987]

you KEEP saying why not Calzaghe like he's greater than Tito...if the judges had got it right and gave the decision to B.Hop it wouldn't change ****...Tito would STILL be his best win...Tito is far greater than Joe...live with it!!!!

Every time I see your sig I can't help but wonder why that wasn't called a knockdown.

[hu r u?]

trinidad is the best win. trinidad opens opened the door for bhop to get $$$$$$$ lotsa it

[Brother Jay]

All right. Its time to discuss more than the amatuer hour bull**** that the peasants are circle jerking about.

First, an interview to shed light on why Trinidad wasn't the colossal win that some are claiming him to be:


Interviewer:"I talked to William Joppy before his last fight and he brought up an issue that Trinidad's people wrapped Tito's hand illegally and that is why he lost. He said that your people caught Trinidad illegally wrapping his hands. Can you tell us what happened?

Bouie Fisher: I tell you, Ike. They have been getting away with that for a long time. I sent my people to Trinidad's locker room to make sure everything was right. When they got there they came back to me and told me that Trinidad's left hand was wrapped before they got there. So, I had to go over to his dressing room myself, this is my business and I have been doing it for over 50 years. When I got there I told them to unwrap the hand and do it over because we need to see the hand being wrapped. They refused to unwrap the hands so I told them I guess the fight will not happen then, we can reschedule to another date. The officials came in and said we don't have time to do this over. I told them, well we must do this right or no fight. They know the rules, no tape on the skin or tape on the ankle. His left hand was heavy just like your camera. Guess what, the officials then said you can go and wrap Bernard hands anyway you want. Trinidad's father and his people didn't want to make the change because they knew they cheated and they tried to cover it up by asking me to wrap Bernard's hands anyway we wish. I wasn't going for that, we have to do this right, they raised hell like you couldn't believe. I said you can do it your way, but there will be no fight if you don't do it right. They said we are going to leave it as it is, so I told them we can reschedule the fight until next week. They didn't want to do that. This is why we had a delay coming out. When they saw Bernard they tried to ask us to take off just a little tape, but they had a half roll of tape on Trinidad's left hand. This is why people say he has a good left hook. David Reid paid a big price, Trinidad took away the fighter in him. David Reids people were trying to schedule a fight with Bernard and it could have happened if Reid would have won his last fight. I'm glad it never happened."

Now with that said, does anyone think it was a coincidence that Trinidad retired as soon as the loaded hand wraps were discovered? I believe that Trinidad knew that if he stuck around EVERYBODY would be insisting to watch with discerning eyes every step of his hands getting wrapped.

Unlike Margarito who was exposed, he chose to try to keep what was left of his legacy intact. Margarito has looked ****ty ever since he was caught and banned. That could have very well been and most likely should have been Trinidad's fate.

Years ago, I believe that if Tito had faced Winky Wright the outcome would have been the same IF AND ONLY IF the wraps were exposed by the time that they met. It was also no coincidence that Trinidad didn't fight Winky Wright, who beat the hell out of Fernando Vargas but got robbed on the cards.

Like Margarito, Felix didn't seem so impressive once the fist casts came off. And the funny thing is that both men were exposed by the same man: ****m Richardson.

Seems to me that ****m needs to get a job with state athletic commissions to inspect wrappings. Who knows who else is doing the same thing? The only way that they seem to get caught is when they fight a boxer who ****m trains.

Something to think about. Definitely something to consider when weighing how significant wins over Trinidad and Margarito really are.

[The_Demon]

you KEEP saying why not Calzaghe like he's greater than Tito...if the judges had got it right and gave the decision to B.Hop it wouldn't change ****...Tito would STILL be his best win...Tito is far greater than Joe...live with it!!!!

Hopkins lost too a white boy,people seriously arent over this yet?

I think Tito is his best win too,not quite as great in hindsight but still very impressive

[RagingTheBull]

No, it was Pavlik.

In the Pavlik fight Hopkins was older and was facing a fighter who was naturally heavier (and taller) than he was. I even think the Pavlik performance was better than the Trinidad's, because Trinidad maybe won 1-2 round (the opening for sure, I had the Lederman scorecard), while Pavlik did not land anything. I mean, anything.