Watching BHOP on ESPN, he said his best career win was Trinidad. Agree?

[ИATAS]

I think it was, not majorly, but I do think it was. I think Pavlik moved straight back down to 160 for a reason, I think he may have believed he could compete thought but got a cold dose of reality (In both ways).

I'm sure the only reason he went back down to 160 is because he got his ass handed to him.

I personally don't think he looks good at 168 right now, we'll see.

Well, pavlik not looking good at 168 may not have anything to do with weight and more to do with his personal demons. I don't know if Pavlik will ever be the same guy regardless of weight it's his mind that's F'd up.

But all means, I'ts not a bull**** fight like I feel Oscar was. It's a good win. But only because of the way he did it, IMO. I rate his wins over Echols, Holmes, Allen, Joppy and Eastman better than that win over Pavlik.

You don't factor in the age of Hopkins as well when he beat Pavlik? I mean, he was going on 44 years of age and just lost to Calzaghe. For him to put on a performance like that, I think it was spectacular. Especially considering how so many people not only predicted he was going to lose, but actually get KO'd. I mean this is a past-prime hopkins schooling an undefeated pound 4 pound fighter who was 17 years younger than him. Those factors, in addition to how badly he beat him makes it a great win, imo.

[Alx.]

trinidad broski, he was undefeated and came off a good win

[IronDanHamza]

I'm sure the only reason he went back down to 160 is because he got his ass handed to him.

Possibly.

We don't know that, though.

It could be because he realised he can't really perform at that weight, or, it could be it's because Hopkins is just that much better and weight was no issue.

The fact is, Pavlik has never shown he is capable at that weight. And it has to factor in the legitimacy.

I for one gave Pavlik no chance against Hopkins (and made some nice money )

I learnt the hard way no getting on the hype train when Hopkins beat the **** out of Trinidad.

I personally felt Hopkins did pretty well against Calzaghe, and knew, even at 44, Hopkins is more than capable of beating Pavliks skull in, especialy at the weight.

Well, pavlik not looking good at 168 may not have anything to do with weight and more to do with his personal demons. I don't know if Pavlik will ever be the same guy regardless of weight it's his mind that's F'd up.

Of course, of course. I agree.

But, It's just that Pavlik has never shown anything about 160, highest 166. It has to have some sort of effect on the fight and how good it is.

You don't factor in the age of Hopkins as well when he beat Pavlik? I mean, he was going on 44 years of age and just lost to Calzaghe. For him to put on a performance like that, I think it was spectacular. Especially considering how so many people not only predicted he was going to lose, but actually get KO'd. I mean this is a past-prime hopkins schooling an undefeated pound 4 pound fighter who was 17 years younger than him. Those factors, in addition to how badly he beat him makes it a great win, imo.

Hopkins is a phenom, a special breed of a fighter. Age means so little to him. I rank him as THE best fighter above the age of 40 (YES, that DOES include Archie Moore)

But, yeah good point, at that age it was phenominal the way he did it. And I did stress that; the way he beat Pavlik was outstanding.

If Pavlik had racked up some solid wins at 170-175 or if he went on to do so I would be putting the win up there with Trinidad. But unfortunately, he didn't. And we just don't know how it effected him physically, and he was certainly out of his element at 170, a territory he had never seen before and hasn't since. JMO.

[daggum]

hopkins best win was surviving this.....

[cupocity303]

From an emotional perspective perhaps... But I am talking about the fact that Tito was a welterweight king. He may have moved up to test himself etc, but by no means should this be Hopkins "greatest win."

He should have been able to say "Calzaghe was my best win." But he cannot... And THAT is my point.

By that perspective then, whichever Welterweight is the first to give Floyd Mayweather a beating, will be discredited because Mayweather's best was at 130/135/140, even though like Tito, he continues to win in impressive fashion above his original weight?

I guess that's what happens, once a few years pass by and the status of The Man (whether Tito or Mayweather) fades away.

[Picazo]

I like his win over Pavlik... AT THE TIME. Looking back at it now lol not so much. But taking in to consideration the moment and the position of the opposition I do like his Pavlik win.

[tangalog2200]

Poll to follow.

not really meant to contradict bhop on this as his fight with tito was very exciting..

but bhop winning the distinction of being the oldest champ..hey...

it is not just a win over pascal...it is also a big win over age/time.....

[Brother Jay]

are you mentally challenged or just ******?

Worse....He's a Floyd fan

Who the fcuk do you idiots think you're talking to?

Do you even watch boxing? I doubt it.

Look at Hopkins' record. What champion did Hopkins fight from 1990-2000?

Roy Jones wasn't even a world champion yet. Then Hopkins competed for Roy's belt once he vacated it. Hopkins got a draw. Then in the rematch for that vacant belt, Hopkins finally won it. Then for the next 5 or 6 years, Hopkins avoided EVERY OTHER CHAMPION defending the lone vacant IBF championship until 2001.

My left nut knows more about boxing than you two little d!ck peasants.

Unlike you two, my boxing IQ doesn't begin and end with Mayweather or Pacquiao.

Learn something before exposing your ignorance again.

[ИATAS]

Name these champions Hopkins avoided.

[dde91]

Name these champions Hopkins avoided.

There is none. If they knew there boxing they would know Hopkins was probably one of the most avoided fighters at the time from when he first won the belt til the middleweight tournament. If they look back at him then, he always said he wanted to unify the belts but DON KING promoted all the other Belt holders at the time. SO those dummies who say he avoided are just breathing hot air.