Watching BHOP on ESPN, he said his best career win was Trinidad. Agree?

[Barry Halls]

Worse....He's a Floyd fan

hey now

[T.Horton]

Came across This interview yesterday. LOL B Hop is GANGSTA. around 4:20 they start talking about the Tito fight. LOL B hop is Gangsta and starts getting on The guy. The guy was butthurt about the Tito fight, you could tell.

I've heard this, that "how much money you lost on the fight...er....er...Pedro" killed me, even Angie was clowning him.

[LaMigra]

dude, you are obtuse about the whole tito welter weight issue..... it is a KNOWN FACT, that tito would drop down 40+ lbs to fight at welter weight....

if my math is right, 147lbs + 40 lbs = 187lbs..... that was tito's walking around weight in between fights sometimes higher..... how in the **** can you say he was a legit welter weight??? because he ****** up so much weight to make 147 or because that was his natural weight for his size..... NOT!! HE DROPPED ALL THE WEIGHT TO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE over guess what!?!?!?! OVER SMALLER GUYS!!!

DLH dropped 35+ lbs to fight at 135, is that fair? because the bigger guy can make weight and beat up smaller guys?? no, it holds no weight.

now the guy that maintains their weight THROUGHOUT their career, is much harder to do than to move up after you ****** up so much weight.

if you're sucking up that much weight, YOU DO NOT BELONG IN THAT DIVISION........

hopkins started his career at 175, made adjustments after his first loss, and realized that he needed to be in top shape, and being in top shape was maintaining his weight at 160lbs, so he made the adjustment, and HELD IT DOWN FOR 11+ YEARS..

holding your weight at the same weight as you get older is harder and far more tougher to do than to move up out of a division as you grow up and older, gaining weight along the way.... it's easier to move up weight classes when you're 3-4 divisions below your walking around weight.

hopkins stayed at the 160 division because in order for him to be in optimum shape and condition, thats the weight he had to maintain in order to be in PEAK condition......

if more fighters followed suit they would have better longevity in the sport.....

don't be blind to the REAL facts, these so called welter weights were natural 160 lb'ers at the very least 154 lb'ers, but they took their fitness to the extreme to fight below their natural weight ot have nothing but the bigger, stronger man advantage in the lower weights....

if tito and fighters like him throughout recent boxing history, if the fight was the same day as the weigh ins, he and they would not have fought at the lower weights, at the very least, they wouldn't have fought at those weights for as long as they did....

but since they were able to hydrate one full day, we get this semi legal cheating tactic in dropping weight and weight classes.

hopkins never walked around more than 12 lbs in between fights........ he's closer to being a natural 160 lb'er than tito or dlh being a natural welter weight........ well at least by common sense terms, who knows what you tito sycophants or flat out hopkins haters think and believe...... or make up.

Later in his career perhaps... but YOU are not very bright if you think Tito at 160lbs is the same as Bernard at 160lbs. Just by looking at Tito, you KNOW he was not a 160lb fighter regardless of him weighing 170lbs when not fighting. His "FIGHTING" weight was CLEARLY 147lbs.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to make Bernard Hopkins a Welterweight in this debate? The man never fought at 147lbs and hence IS/WAS the bigger man. Don't try to add glory to a decent win. Hopkins was a ducker for many years and got beat by men his size e.g Taylor and Calzaghe.

[jrosales13]

hey now

My bad,

But, seriously. Tito run from 99-01 was one of the best runs any fighter has had in the modern era. The way he was going through weight-classes was just incredible. He was tearing everybody up. Either he was going to run over you or you was going to run for you life.

And, to be fair I could understand why people wouldn't want to give Hopkins his full credit for Tito if that was Tito first fight at 160. Or even if he only had one win against journeyman, like a Cheriffi who he fought right after B-Hop.

But, he fought Joppy. I mean Joppy is not a HOF'er by any means not even close. But, was formidable MW. And, the way Tito went in there and destroyed the man. Made him IMO at the time the best MW.

I think a lot of people were ranking Tito #1 at MW after the Joppy fight. At worse #2 behind Hopkins. And, the way B-Hop dominated Tito. Yes without a doubt that is greatest win and a great win overall. Tito starting at JWW/WW doesn't take anything away from that great win.

[IronDanHamza]

My bad,

But, seriously. Tito run from 99-01 was one of the best runs any fighter has had in the modern era. The way he was going through weight-classes was just incredible. He was tearing everybody up. Either he was going to run over you or you was going to run for you life.

And, to be fair I could understand why people wouldn't want to give Hopkins his full credit for Tito if that was Tito first fight at 160. Or even if he only had one win against journeyman, like a Cheriffi who he fought right after B-Hop.

But, he fought Joppy. I mean Joppy is not a HOF'er by any means not even close. But, was formidable MW. And, the way Tito went in there and destroyed the man. Made him IMO at the time the best MW.

I think a lot of people were ranking Tito #1 at MW after the Joppy fight. At worse #2 behind Hopkins. And, the way B-Hop dominated Tito. Yes without a doubt that is greatest win and a great win overall. Tito starting at JWW/WW doesn't take anything away from that great win.

It certainly doesn't.

Hopkins win over Trinidad was exceptional and his best win of his career.

That being said, with this fact, I can't see how people can argue that Hopkins is greater than Hearns, like they were a few days ago.

[jrosales13]

It certainly doesn't.

Hopkins win over Trinidad was exceptional and his best win of his career.

That being said, with this fact, I can't see how people can argue that Hopkins is greater than Hearns, like they were a few days ago.

Who made that argument? I think I missed it.

I think B-Hop would beat Hearns H2H though.

But, wouldn't say he's greater than Hearns.

[Barry Halls]

Agreed. Tito was never all that at welterweight let alone middleweight. B-hop deserves some credit but its no better than his wins over Holmes or Eastman.

say what now?

And i actually think Eastman was quite good. But no, not even remotely close.

[uoykcuf]

I personally like his Tarver win more.

[IronDanHamza]

Who made that argument? I think I missed it.

I think B-Hop would beat Hearns H2H though.

But, wouldn't say he's greater than Hearns.

I think it was in the 'Hopkins says he would stop Hearns' thread.

I agree, I think at 160 that the natural bigger Hopkins would beat Hearns.

No way shape or form do I think Hopkins is greater than Hearns, though.

[ИATAS]

If you want to say Tito is better then fine but the difference isnt alot. Eastman didnt have a massive fanbase and hype behind him.

wasn't Eastman's only career loss (40-1) before fighting Hopkins to William Joppy? The guy Tito destroyed? Eastman was a good fighter but he didn't fight anything CLOSE to the level of opposition Tito had.