Watching BHOP on ESPN, he said his best career win was Trinidad. Agree?

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  • deuce_drop
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    #31
    Originally posted by LaMigra
    So is Cotto, but it doesn't mean he is a true middleweight. It also does not change the fact that Tito was a welterweight and that Hopkins fought at 175lbs prior to moving down to Middleweight.


    Again: Hopkins... why not Calzaghe?
    dude, you are obtuse about the whole tito welter weight issue..... it is a KNOWN FACT, that tito would drop down 40+ lbs to fight at welter weight....

    if my math is right, 147lbs + 40 lbs = 187lbs..... that was tito's walking around weight in between fights sometimes higher..... how in the **** can you say he was a legit welter weight??? because he ****** up so much weight to make 147 or because that was his natural weight for his size..... NOT!! HE DROPPED ALL THE WEIGHT TO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE over guess what!?!?!?! OVER SMALLER GUYS!!!

    DLH dropped 35+ lbs to fight at 135, is that fair? because the bigger guy can make weight and beat up smaller guys?? no, it holds no weight.

    now the guy that maintains their weight THROUGHOUT their career, is much harder to do than to move up after you ****** up so much weight.

    if you're sucking up that much weight, YOU DO NOT BELONG IN THAT DIVISION........

    hopkins started his career at 175, made adjustments after his first loss, and realized that he needed to be in top shape, and being in top shape was maintaining his weight at 160lbs, so he made the adjustment, and HELD IT DOWN FOR 11+ YEARS..

    holding your weight at the same weight as you get older is harder and far more tougher to do than to move up out of a division as you grow up and older, gaining weight along the way.... it's easier to move up weight classes when you're 3-4 divisions below your walking around weight.

    hopkins stayed at the 160 division because in order for him to be in optimum shape and condition, thats the weight he had to maintain in order to be in PEAK condition......

    if more fighters followed suit they would have better longevity in the sport.....

    don't be blind to the REAL facts, these so called welter weights were natural 160 lb'ers at the very least 154 lb'ers, but they took their fitness to the extreme to fight below their natural weight ot have nothing but the bigger, stronger man advantage in the lower weights....

    if tito and fighters like him throughout recent boxing history, if the fight was the same day as the weigh ins, he and they would not have fought at the lower weights, at the very least, they wouldn't have fought at those weights for as long as they did....

    but since they were able to hydrate one full day, we get this semi legal cheating tactic in dropping weight and weight classes.

    hopkins never walked around more than 12 lbs in between fights........ he's closer to being a natural 160 lb'er than tito or dlh being a natural welter weight........ well at least by common sense terms, who knows what you tito sycophants or flat out hopkins haters think and believe...... or make up.

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      #32
      Originally posted by LaMigra
      So now you are trying to make Hopkins look good by pretending that Tito was a bonafide middleweight? 13lbs above his best weight?
      He obviously was a legit MW being that he was a MW champion.

      Who was Hagler's best win? Hearns? Who was best at what weight class? WW? Double standards. Hearns was a great WW, doesn't mean he wasn't a legit MW. Same goes with Tito.

      It's like if Pacquiao whooped Cotto, then lost to Clottey. You wouldn't give Clottey credit for beating Pacquiao??

      You are not being sincere. You are merely trying to support your man.
      no you're merely being a faggot

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        #33
        Originally posted by LaMigra
        So now you are trying to make Hopkins look good by pretending that Tito was a bonafide middleweight? 13lbs above his best weight?

        You are not being sincere. You are merely trying to support your man.
        Calzaghe beat a bonifide middleweight 15 pounds above his best weight. Calzaghe was a supermiddle weight by your thinking fighting a middleweight in hopkins north above Hopkins best weight even tho Hopkins had a title it shouldn't count because he is not a true LHW lol. YOUR DUMB

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          #34
          I actually think Pascal is his best win. It broke Foreman's record, Against the top fighter at light heavy,amazing. B-Hop is boxings greatest active fighter.

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            #35
            Originally posted by dde91
            Calzaghe beat a bonifide middleweight 15 pounds above his best weight. Calzaghe was a supermiddle weight by your thinking fighting a middleweight in hopkins north above Hopkins best weight even tho Hopkins had a title it shouldn't count because he is not a true LHW lol. YOUR DUMB
            Yep, Calzaghe beat a 43 year old blown up middleweight. Gotta love double standards!

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              #36
              Originally posted by LaMigra
              From an emotional perspective perhaps... But I am talking about the fact that Tito was a welterweight king. He may have moved up to test himself etc, but by no means should this be Hopkins "greatest win."

              He should have been able to say "Calzaghe was my best win." But he cannot... And THAT is my point.
              Tito>>>>>Calzaghe in ATG, p4p, and resume. Even if Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Tito would have still been his best win lol . dont get your point.

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                #37
                Originally posted by LaMigra
                From an emotional perspective perhaps... But I am talking about the fact that Tito was a welterweight king. He may have moved up to test himself etc, but by no means should this be Hopkins "greatest win."

                He should have been able to say "Calzaghe was my best win." But he cannot... And THAT is my point.
                I find tremendous fault with your logic. Tito moved up because he knew he got a gift in the ODH fight and didn't want to fight again unless he got paid better. He was on the way to being a great MW, he just ran into one of the 5-7 greatest MW of all time.

                Given the circumstances (9/11, NYC) and the fact the tournament was all but set up to coronate Felix as MW king, I completely understand BHop's point.

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                  #38
                  i think its in the Glen Johnson fight. The Commentators said Hopkins was willing to drop down to 154 to fight Fernando Vargas at the time just to get a big fight and said he could make 154 if he had to because none of the belt holders at 160 wanted to fight him.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by dde91
                    i think its in the Glen Johnson fight. The Commentators said Hopkins was willing to drop down to 154 to fight Fernando Vargas at the time just to get a big fight and said he could make 154 if he had to because none of the belt holders at 160 wanted to fight him.
                    He probably could have being that he weighed 156 against Oscar.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by ИATAS206
                      He probably could have being that he weighed 156 against Oscar.
                      exactly! Some people either dont think straight or something. So basically by some peoples standards, If Pacquiao loses he can get and excuse because he use to be a flyweight. If Mayweather loses to Ortiz it could be because he was a featherweight. Pryor shouldn't get credit for beating arguello because he was a featherweight before. Leonard shouldn't get credit beating Duran because he was a lightweight. Lamotta against Robinson. Bowe over Holyfield, Dawson over Johnson, Hagler-Hearns, etc etc etc.

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