Wlad's Top 5 Wins Vs. Ali's Top 5 Wins

[The Gambler1981]

How are people supposed to discuss boxing in a thread that is clearly biased and unreasonable?

The worst part is that you could actually make a reasonable and sound argument that Ali has fought better fights than Klitschko, but you do your agenda a disservice with threads like this.

Really it is harder argument to fail at than get right, truly astonishing

[Pugilistic™]

Some fans need to give Wlad a break.

No he didn't fight in the era that Ali did or beat the level of fighters Ali beat but he worked with what he had and he has dominated the division for years and years now.

Wlad went through some knockout losses early in his career but he did what "great" fighters do and he came back stronger and better.

Ali is the arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time ( he is imo), it's unfair on Wlad to compare him to that standard.

[cupocity303]

Wlad:



David Haye
Samuel Peter
Chris Byrd
Calvin Brock
Hasim Rahman

Hmm, in the name of fairness, you may wanna add the Former WBO Heavyweight Champion to that list.

[Mr. Ryan]

Really it is harder argument to fail at than get right, truly astonishing

Exactly, that's why this thread is a ground breaking fail.

[cupocity303]

Wlad is lucky those fighters arent avail...if an old past prime corrie sanders can knock him senseless, imagine if Foreman got to him...


Wlad got dropped repeately by SAM PETER...SAM PETER

Yes, but he wasn't in his absolute prime there. He has not perfected his Big-Man Boxing style.

You should understand this point, since your ilk always makes excuses for the losses The Mike Tyson's of the world had, I.E. not being in their prime.

[BxFanViento]

I respect Wladimir as he and equally Vitali are the most dominating heavyweights of this era.

With that said Ali has beaten more hall of famers and fought in an golden age for heavyweights so I don't think it's fair to compare Wladimir to Ali, yes they both dominated in there respective era's but there's no debate it's all Ali and there is nothing wrong with that.

I do think that the criticism that the klitschko brothers have faced over the years has been slightly unwarranted considering that it's not their fault that this era of heavyweight boxing has been so weak it's a matter of time and quality and quantity of opponents that influence each era it's just ashame that the klitschko's rose in this rather weak one.

[NachoMan]

Comparing Klitschko with Ali? Lol.

Exactly. Merely having this conversation is incredibly insulting to Ali and his era.

[cupocity303]

Wlad lost to brewster in his prime,

Correction: He was not in his prime. Athletic prime? Perhaps. Boxing prime? No.

It's only after the Samuel Peter fight that he has started to perfect his style, maximizing the effectiveness of his height and range jab. He has closed all of the gaps that were open. And he has settled down, thus no more gassing out.

[Mr. Ryan]

Davis Haye - Never proved a thing at heavyweight besides winning a paper title that rightfully belonged to Ruiz and not Valuev. THAT says a lot, no?

Ruslan Chagaev - Still to be determined, by highly unlikely to ever make the hall of fame because of the terrible era.

Sultan Ibragimov - One and done. He took one shot at the championship and quit after he lost in the bout known as "The official cure for insomnia".

Chris Byrd - Former super middleweight made it 12ounds with Wlad. Decent fighter but in all likelihood not hall of fame worthy.

Sam Peter - Fought other fat slobs who were past prime. Had no skills or stamina. Will never be in the hall of fame. Ever.

Damn, that's a murderers row right there!!!

David Haye: Yeah, he didn't clear out the heavyweight division before fighting Wladimir, but isn't his situation similar to Michael Spinks? Spinks fought Holmes at the end, arguably losing the second fight, then taking two weak defenses before being laid out by Tyson. Is considered Tyson's greatest win.

[cupocity303]

ali beat all time great heavyweights

Wlad beat ok fighters

I don't accept this premise.

What made Joe Frazier great? Oh yeah, he beat Ali, that's what made him great.

If someone beats a Klitschko today, and Klitschko beat them back, would you consider that fighter great? No of course not.

Hypothetically if Joe Frazier was around today and Wlad dominated him, would you consider it a great win over a great fighter, or would you call Frazier a bum? Exactly.

In conclusion: The only way a Wlad Klitschko can beat All-Time Greats at this point is A) Have Lennox Lewis come out of retirement and pummel him or B) Let Alexander Povetkin get to 100-0 record, winning one of the Sanctioning bodies to boost, so Wlad can give him his first loss and make his boxrec resume look good.

Still even then, I don't think you'd give him equal props, you daft cunt.