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Earner you have good deal more knowledge about what and how these things go down but you like all of us seem to be a bit presumptuous about the details of this situation. At the end of the day a fighter has to do whats in their best interests , they hire managers to do that, they hire promoters then something like this happens and there is never a lack of finger pointers. 50K is nothing to laugh at but in your own hometown and on a showtime card I would think/expect Pavlik would at least be making 6 figures.
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Earner you have good deal more knowledge about what and how these things go down but you like all of us seem to be a bit presumptuous about the details of this situation. At the end of the day a fighter has to do whats in their best interests , they hire managers to do that, they hire promoters then something like this happens and there is never a lack of finger pointers. 50K is nothing to laugh at but in your own hometown and on a showtime card I would think/expect Pavlik would at least be making 6 figures. -
that's a bit different
when you sign a promoter contract you may not know all the details like signing bonus length clauses and minimums right off the bat
but you do know how much you fight for. Like I said when I see a fighter in the gym and they tell me they got a fight the very next line is how many rounds and how much they're making
it's the one thing manager and fighter talk about before committing to a fight
"hey got ____ as an opponent __ rounds in _ weeks"- most managers opening convo
"how much" fighter's response
every single time
Kelly knew he may not have been happy but he knewComment
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So you know this for a fact, in this particular situation? Hey I was doggin on Pavlik today to one of my buddies and still think its a crappy situation but I dont know what was said or done only Pavlik, Arum and Cameron are probably privy to that info, so Im prepared to let it ride. What Pavlik said makes sense and as you have probably seen fighters often times put there faith in others to manage what goes on outside of the ring so they can take care of what happens inside the ring.Comment
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I think Pavlik is right in this instance regarding his knowledge about his 50K purse a week before the fight. Think about it, if Top Rank & Showtime had a signed contract from Kelly for this fight, he would not be able to pull out unless he got injured. Showtime, Top Rank, the venue, etc. would be filing or at least threatening lawsuits back and forth. So I think Kelly is telling the truth.
The blame should go to his agent/manager and Top Rank for not agree to terms and getting Kelly to sign the contract before Showtime announced the fight!Comment
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Pavlik is not the American dream or close to it. Pavlik might be a bIker gang poster child or a skin head hero but as for All American good looks and role model status Pavlik is far away. Tattoed heavily, emaciated looking a drunk not exactly what America wants in a hero. Pavlik turned off America's fan base years ago and is now more of a carnival attration than a boxing hero.Comment
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I respectfully disagree.
How many times have we heard a fighter/athlete say that he isn't reporting for training camp until his deal is done?
You don't start preparing for a fight not knowing what the terms of that fight are.
And if there was really no contract, then that wasn't merely a MONEY issue, it was also a FIGHT TERMS issue. Weight, gloves, ring size, rounds, etc, etc.Comment
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sorry but that's not true
let me ask you this
say you were told to start for a company on a certain date
you mean to tell me you would just start work right away without knowing what you were going to get paid?
is that what you are telling me?
and while you guys want to **** on his manager and promoter over this I know for a fact that every fighter I have ever talked to knows exactly how much they are getting for whatever fight they are in
Kelly knewComment
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I this situation no of course not I am not Kelly nor am I Cameron or Top Rank
but I do know for a fact that each and every fighter I have ever talked to knew exactly how much they were getting even if they hadn't signed the contract
not signing a contract right when it is made happens but it still doesn't mean that Kelly didn't know how much he agreed upon
honestly I think this is more about Bute than it is about the 50k
he knew, he may not have been happy about it
but he knewComment
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Agreed. Kelly would also be saying that he didn't know if he was prepping for a 12 rounder, or 10. Or what the contracted weight was.
I do find it interesting that Kelly chose the word "puppet". I've heard Arum treats his fighters that way, and that was the word used before.Comment
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