Comments Thread For: Kelly Pavlik Sounds Off: “I’m Tired of Being a Puppet!”

[freedom213]

not really especially when a preliminary bout agreement is signed

and why would Dunkin be in cahoots with Top Rank when he stands to make LESS money if he low balls Pavlik for the sake of appeasing Top Rank?

remember also Dunkin and Top Rank have no love lost for each other after the Donaire debacle

Dunkin has fighters with GBP Top Rank and one other promoter he is out to get what's best for him and his fighters not what's best for the promoter

Earner you have good deal more knowledge about what and how these things go down but you like all of us seem to be a bit presumptuous about the details of this situation. At the end of the day a fighter has to do whats in their best interests , they hire managers to do that, they hire promoters then something like this happens and there is never a lack of finger pointers. 50K is nothing to laugh at but in your own hometown and on a showtime card I would think/expect Pavlik would at least be making 6 figures.

[Eaner0919]

A good balanced post, as usual, some great points.

Kelly is not being very realistic.

But, you mentioned that no fighter has ever stated to you that "I have no idea what I am getting"..... have you ever heard a fighter state that he had just signed a contract which had not been reviewed by his team, simply because he had less than 1 day to return it, so there wasnt enough time?

I wouldnt sign any contract from dodgy Bob unless it has been FULLY reviewed by my legal team, other than that, you make a great point.

that's a bit different

when you sign a promoter contract you may not know all the details like signing bonus length clauses and minimums right off the bat

but you do know how much you fight for. Like I said when I see a fighter in the gym and they tell me they got a fight the very next line is how many rounds and how much they're making

it's the one thing manager and fighter talk about before committing to a fight

"hey got ____ as an opponent __ rounds in _ weeks"- most managers opening convo

"how much" fighter's response

every single time

Kelly knew he may not have been happy but he knew

[Eaner0919]

that's a bit different

when you sign a promoter contract you may not know all the details like signing bonus length clauses and minimums right off the bat

but you do know how much you fight for. Like I said when I see a fighter in the gym and they tell me they got a fight the very next line is how many rounds and how much they're making

it's the one thing manager and fighter talk about before committing to a fight

"hey got ____ as an opponent __ rounds in _ weeks"- most managers opening convo

"how much" fighter's response

every single time

Kelly knew he may not have been happy but he knew

and the guy in my sig is also managed by the same manager Kelly has

and he knows how much he is supposed to make before he agrees to fight

[freedom213]

and the guy in my sig is also managed by the same manager Kelly has

and he knows how much he is supposed to make before he agrees to fight

So you know this for a fact, in this particular situation? Hey I was doggin on Pavlik today to one of my buddies and still think its a crappy situation but I dont know what was said or done only Pavlik, Arum and Cameron are probably privy to that info, so Im prepared to let it ride. What Pavlik said makes sense and as you have probably seen fighters often times put there faith in others to manage what goes on outside of the ring so they can take care of what happens inside the ring.

[adp023]

and the guy in my sig is also managed by the same manager Kelly has

and he knows how much he is supposed to make before he agrees to fight

I think Pavlik is right in this instance regarding his knowledge about his 50K purse a week before the fight. Think about it, if Top Rank & Showtime had a signed contract from Kelly for this fight, he would not be able to pull out unless he got injured. Showtime, Top Rank, the venue, etc. would be filing or at least threatening lawsuits back and forth. So I think Kelly is telling the truth.

The blame should go to his agent/manager and Top Rank for not agree to terms and getting Kelly to sign the contract before Showtime announced the fight!

[fastblack]

Pavlik is not the American dream or close to it. Pavlik might be a bIker gang poster child or a skin head hero but as for All American good looks and role model status Pavlik is far away. Tattoed heavily, emaciated looking a drunk not exactly what America wants in a hero. Pavlik turned off America's fan base years ago and is now more of a carnival attration than a boxing hero.

[Gino Ros]

I think Pavlik is right in this instance regarding his knowledge about his 50K purse a week before the fight. Think about it, if Top Rank & Showtime had a signed contract from Kelly for this fight, he would not be able to pull out unless he got injured. Showtime, Top Rank, the venue, etc. would be filing or at least threatening lawsuits back and forth. So I think Kelly is telling the truth.

The blame should go to his agent/manager and Top Rank for not agree to terms and getting Kelly to sign the contract before Showtime announced the fight!

I respectfully disagree.

How many times have we heard a fighter/athlete say that he isn't reporting for training camp until his deal is done?

You don't start preparing for a fight not knowing what the terms of that fight are.

And if there was really no contract, then that wasn't merely a MONEY issue, it was also a FIGHT TERMS issue. Weight, gloves, ring size, rounds, etc, etc.

[Eaner0919]

I think Pavlik is right in this instance regarding his knowledge about his 50K purse a week before the fight. Think about it, if Top Rank & Showtime had a signed contract from Kelly for this fight, he would not be able to pull out unless he got injured. Showtime, Top Rank, the venue, etc. would be filing or at least threatening lawsuits back and forth. So I think Kelly is telling the truth.

The blame should go to his agent/manager and Top Rank for not agree to terms and getting Kelly to sign the contract before Showtime announced the fight!

sorry but that's not true

let me ask you this

say you were told to start for a company on a certain date

you mean to tell me you would just start work right away without knowing what you were going to get paid?

is that what you are telling me?

and while you guys want to **** on his manager and promoter over this I know for a fact that every fighter I have ever talked to knows exactly how much they are getting for whatever fight they are in

Kelly knew

[Eaner0919]

So you know this for a fact, in this particular situation? Hey I was doggin on Pavlik today to one of my buddies and still think its a crappy situation but I dont know what was said or done only Pavlik, Arum and Cameron are probably privy to that info, so Im prepared to let it ride. What Pavlik said makes sense and as you have probably seen fighters often times put there faith in others to manage what goes on outside of the ring so they can take care of what happens inside the ring.

I this situation no of course not I am not Kelly nor am I Cameron or Top Rank

but I do know for a fact that each and every fighter I have ever talked to knew exactly how much they were getting even if they hadn't signed the contract

not signing a contract right when it is made happens but it still doesn't mean that Kelly didn't know how much he agreed upon

honestly I think this is more about Bute than it is about the 50k

he knew, he may not have been happy about it

but he knew

[Gino Ros]

sorry but that's not true

let me ask you this

say you were told to start for a company on a certain date

you mean to tell me you would just start work right away without knowing what you were going to get paid?

is that what you are telling me?

and while you guys want to **** on his manager and promoter over this I know for a fact that every fighter I have ever talked to knows exactly how much they are getting for whatever fight they are in

Kelly knew

Agreed. Kelly would also be saying that he didn't know if he was prepping for a 12 rounder, or 10. Or what the contracted weight was.

I do find it interesting that Kelly chose the word "puppet". I've heard Arum treats his fighters that way, and that was the word used before.