What Fighter Has Defeated The Most Hall Of Famer's?

[BennyST]

I would have to say ODLH, Pac, Mayweather, Ali, Ray Leonard, and Ray Robinson are at the top of the list?

We're not looking for if a fighter was over the hill or not. We're just counting victories over Hall of Famer's. This might lead to who the greatest fighter of all time was/is.....

In terms of definite HOFers?

Pac is at about 5 (Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Oscar and Mosley: Cotto is not a definite HOFer), Oscar is quite difficult really: He has Chavez and Whitaker in. Then who though? Camacho, Hernandez, Paez? He got screwed on Tito and Mosley. Gonzalez? They're all possibles, but they are all possibles like Cotto is. Not definite or already in but just possibles.

Mayweather has a few (Oscar, Castillo, Marquez, Mosley).

Ali has about 7 I think. Robinson is up there at 10 and Leonard is at 4 I believe (Duran, Benitez, Hagler and Hearns). That's one huge 4 though! In fact, that's probably the best 4 of any fighter in history. Four arguably top twenty ATG fighters all of them without a loss in many, many years if not undefeated, all of them champion (apart from Duran moving up to challenge Leonard of course).

Anyway, in comparison to guys like McLarnin, Greb, Robinson, Armstrong etc etc, today's don't really compare too well. Pac, Mayweather, Oscar just don't equal or hold up in terms of the number of great fighters fought. Pac is really the only one that comes slightly close to doing what the older era fighters did, but even that pales in comparison to some.

[IronDanHamza]

Now, I'm intrigued. Wouldn't it be 14 with Goldstein? Oh..that's right, he had a couple of other HOfers which he wasn't able to beat as he only fought them once wasn't it? Everyone he lost to that he rematched he was able to beat, so if he'd fought Broulliard again he would have beaten him and be the top guy here with 14.

We have LaBarba, Pal Moore, Bud Taylor, Pancho Villa, Louis Kaplan, Mandell, Goldstein, Petrolle, Leonard, Corbett III, Ross, Ambers, and Canzoneri.

It's funny today when someone like Pac beats 5 HOfers and suddenly people talk about him as if he's beaten every single champion in boxing's history and would scoff and laugh if you even mentioned the fact that someone like McLarnin etc might be better, quite easily. In today's boxing world when there are so many titles, so many champions, compared to then when you had one champion, ten times the amount of competition etc and you had guys like Greb, Armstrong, Robinson, Ali, McLarnin, Benny Leonard, Duran, Ross, Gans, Canzoneri beating as many and more in times when everything was so much harder and just getting a title shot or being a top five contender was the same as being a paper titlist is today.

I always use the example of Malignaggi....Don't know why, but he's never been a true champion. Whenever he stepped up to fight the next champion up he was beaten and yet people have called him a champion numerous times now. He is the classic of never would have been anything more than a brief ranked contender in past eras.

Anyway, that's way off topic.

What about B. Leonard and Canzoneri?

Leonard has Dundee, Kilbane, Kansas, Welsh, Britton, Kid Lewis, Ritchie, Tendler but I feel like I'm missing one or two? Now that's a lightweight resume!

Canzoneri: Bass, Taylor, Dundee, Kid Berg, Kid Chocolate, Petrolle, Arizmendi, Ambers, McLarnin.

Ross also has about 10 from memory too.

Yeah, he fought 14 HOF'ers but only beat 13*.

If you have a trilogy or even just a 2 fight series with Jimmy Mclarnin then he will beat you atleast once.

I guess with the exception of Bud Taylor who he did struggle with. Of course losing 2 times and getting the DQ for his sole win over him.

I find it genuinely hilarious (The Pacquaio thing), people getting insulted when I say he isn't a Top 30 ATG (In my opinion) and act is if I can only hate the man because of it Like stated in this thread, Pac has only fought 5 HOF'ers, 5. When there are guys like Jimmy who has beat 13, and you know the numerous rest like stated in your post.

People like Langford, Greb, Robinson (Of course), Charles (in more recent years) are getting more credit for there lengthy records thankfully.

But still; you said "What about Leonard? Canzoneri? Ross?" That is a GREAT question? What about them!?!?

These men STILL don't get recognised as amongst the 20 greatest fighters of all time. STILL, in 2011, can you believe that?

Barney Ross is unquestionablly a Top 20-25 ATG IMO, unquestionably, as is Canzoneri. Ask the average guy in this forum even and they are unaware of their careers.

And guys like Hopkins and Pacqiauo are "Top 25 ATG's minimum" otherwise you are a "hater". Laughable.

[Batobalani]

The real question should be "Who has beaten the most hall of famers while they were still hall of fame quality fighters?" Take Manny for instance. Pac "beat" Marquez while he was still top shelf. Thats it. One fighter. Mab wasnt hall of fame quality once they fought, Morales wasnt, Hatton never was, Oscar was years off of being in his hall of fame form, Cotto is borderline, Margrito isnt hall of fame, Clottey isnt hall of fame. So...Pac "beat" one hall of fame fighter, in a fight that most people gave to the other guy.

lol that would mean zero HOF win for mayweather.

[bballchump11]

lol that would mean zero HOF win for mayweather.

what about Castillo?

[BoxingGenius27]

In terms of definite HOFers?

Pac is at about 5 (Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Oscar and Mosley: Cotto is not a definite HOFer), Oscar is quite difficult really: He has Chavez and Whitaker in. Then who though? Camacho, Hernandez, Paez? He got screwed on Tito and Mosley. Gonzalez? They're all possibles, but they are all possibles like Cotto is. Not definite or already in but just possibles.

Mayweather has a few (Oscar, Castillo, Marquez, Mosley).

Ali has about 7 I think. Robinson is up there at 10 and Leonard is at 4 I believe (Duran, Benitez, Hagler and Hearns). That's one huge 4 though! In fact, that's probably the best 4 of any fighter in history. Four arguably top twenty ATG fighters all of them without a loss in many, many years if not undefeated, all of them champion (apart from Duran moving up to challenge Leonard of course).

Anyway, in comparison to guys like McLarnin, Greb, Robinson, Armstrong etc etc, today's don't really compare too well. Pac, Mayweather, Oscar just don't equal or hold up in terms of the number of great fighters fought. Pac is really the only one that comes slightly close to doing what the older era fighters did, but even that pales in comparison to some.

Not sure if I would make Castillo HOF. But if that's the case you have to include Corrales also. Also, I would replace Castillo with Hernandez. Hernandez only lost to a prime ODLH and Mayweather.....

I'm not sure about Hatton.

ODLH's victories over HOF'ers can be debatable also. I personally think he beat Tito and Mosley II... But, I think he lost to Whitaker... I also think Camacho is a future HOF'er to add to his resume..

[Motofan]

lol that would mean zero HOF win for mayweather.

Not arguing that at all. That's kind of the point of my response. People need to consider WHEN these guys fought Hall of Fame fighters. Otherwise, you might as well bring Sugar Ray back and beat up on him so you can say you beat an all time great. Oh, and for the guy a few replies ago, Chavez was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY past it when Oscar beat him up. Not a Hall of Fame quality win. Come to think of it, how many Hall of Fame wins does Oscar have? Hmmmm....

[BoxingGenius27]

Not arguing that at all. That's kind of the point of my response. People need to consider WHEN these guys fought Hall of Fame fighters. Otherwise, you might as well bring Sugar Ray back and beat up on him so you can say you beat an all time great. Oh, and for the guy a few replies ago, Chavez was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY past it when Oscar beat him up. Not a Hall of Fame quality win. Come to think of it, how many Hall of Fame wins does Oscar have? Hmmmm....

But if Chavez beats ODLH, then Chavez isn't over the hill and this victory is added to Chavez's resume?

Look, I understand the point people make about fighters being over the hill. Hell, Ali was wayyyy over the hill when he fought Holmes and Spinks. I know this. My thing is whenever great fighters lose, it's so easy to make a claim of them being over the hill; this completely discredits the fighter that beat them....

[Mana$$aMauler]

Some of the Hall of Famers mentioned in this thread would not make it to the Hall based on today's standards.

It's like comparing the Ford Model T to a Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4. Different class, different time.

[JOM'S]

The real question should be "Who has beaten the most hall of famers while they were still hall of fame quality fighters?" Take Manny for instance. Pac "beat" Marquez while he was still top shelf. Thats it. One fighter. Mab wasnt hall of fame quality once they fought, Morales wasnt, Hatton never was, Oscar was years off of being in his hall of fame form, Cotto is borderline, Margrito isnt hall of fame, Clottey isnt hall of fame. So...Pac "beat" one hall of fame fighter, in a fight that most people gave to the other guy.

what a hater, MAB not hall of fame quality when PAC beat him? Marco after PAC demolished him beat Erik Morales and fought Marquez evenly and could have won if not for the 4 point swing round, Erik not quality?? get out of here, during their first fight Erik beat PAC and Manny got his revenge 9 months later in another fight of the year (FOTY) type of a fight...

among the sure fire hall of famers, only Dela Hoya could be said was no longer a hall of fame quality fighter when PAC fought them...

as per Cotto and Hatton, they are not first ballot type of fighters, but IMHO would possibly be elevated eventually...

[Canelo Phresh]

Greb beat 13 I believe.


Ali is still the GOAT though.

ali is not greater than robinson sorry...