What Fighter Has Defeated The Most Hall Of Famer's?

[madsweeney]

The real question should be "Who has beaten the most hall of famers while they were still hall of fame quality fighters?" Take Manny for instance. Pac "beat" Marquez while he was still top shelf. Thats it. One fighter. Mab wasnt hall of fame quality once they fought, Morales wasnt, Hatton never was, Oscar was years off of being in his hall of fame form, Cotto is borderline, Margrito isnt hall of fame, Clottey isnt hall of fame. So...Pac "beat" one hall of fame fighter, in a fight that most people gave to the other guy.

MAB was still HOF considering his winning streak before and after his loss to Pac.


In that case, Floyd wouldn't have beaten any HOF. Mosley, DLH, Marquez, Hernandez...all past prime.

[-Kev-]

The real question should be "Who has beaten the most hall of famers while they were still hall of fame quality fighters?" Take Manny for instance. Pac "beat" Marquez while he was still top shelf. Thats it. One fighter. Mab wasnt hall of fame quality once they fought, Morales wasnt, Hatton never was, Oscar was years off of being in his hall of fame form, Cotto is borderline, Margrito isnt hall of fame, Clottey isnt hall of fame. So...Pac "beat" one hall of fame fighter, in a fight that most people gave to the other guy.

Exactly. Me and you are on the same page.

It should count whether they were over the hill or not. It's crazy not to count that.

[Motofan]

MAB was still HOF considering his winning streak before and after his loss to Pac.


In that case, Floyd wouldn't have beaten any HOF. Mosley, DLH, Marquez, Hernandez...all past prime.

Im not arguing against your last point...

[King Ghidorah]

harry greb ------------------ 13
norfolk, tunney, blackburn, dillon, flowers, walker, loughran, miske,
levinskey, m. Gibbons, rosenbloom, slattery, t. Gibbons

sugar ray robinson -------- 10
armstrong, lamotta, fullmer, gavilan, basilio, graziano,
zivic, turpin, angott, olson

henry armstrong ----------- 10
wolgast, ross, angott, ambers, jenkins, zivic,
montanez, bass, wright, arizmendi

srr..........

[McFearless]

I don't think we should JUST be looking at the fact that they beat eventual hall of fame fighters buy where they stood at the time of their fight.
Maybe a mix of champions and Hall of famers in a fighters resume would be more helpful?helpful

[BennyST]

Jimmy Mclarnin beat more than Robinson from memory. Maybe thirteen, but I can only remember ten right now and I can't be bothered to look up if there are more.

He also beat those HOFers from Flyweight to welterweight. That's right. He did what Pac has done but he did it against HOFers.

Oh, and Hatton is not a HOF based on one single win. Otherwise there would literally be hundreds more decent champions with one great win over an old faded HOFer that we would be saying "Oh yes, he's a HOFer, he beat Cracker Blimey once. Didn't really do much else and got beat by the young prime champs he fought but he still beat Cracker Blimey"

Anyway, MClarnin, Greb, Robinson, Armstrong.

[IronDanHamza]

Jimmy Mclarnin beat more than Robinson from memory. Maybe thirteen, but I can only remember ten right now and I can't be bothered to look up if there are more.

He also beat those HOFers from Flyweight to welterweight. That's right. He did what Pac has done but he did it against HOFers.

Oh, and Hatton is not a HOF based on one single win. Otherwise there would literally be hundreds more decent champions with one great win over an old faded HOFer that we would be saying "Oh yes, he's a HOFer, he beat Cracker Blimey once. Didn't really do much else and got beat by the young prime champs he fought but he still beat Cracker Blimey"

Anyway, MClarnin, Greb, Robinson, Armstrong.

He did beat more than Robinson.

And yes he did beat 13; IF you include his win over HOF referee Ruby Goldstein. I actually don't count that win to his HOF wins.

Others'

Tony Canzoneri
Pancho Villa
Lou Ambers
Barney Ross
Benny Leonard
Jackie Fields
Kid Kaplin
Young Corbett 3
Fidel LaBarba
Billy Petrolle
Sammy Mandell

Also, if you count his DQ win over Bud Taylor. (I do, some don't)

Add them all together with the controversial Taylor and Goldstein.

That's 13 HOF'ers. Amazing.

[BoxingGenius27]

Exactly. Me and you are on the same page.

It should count whether they were over the hill or not. It's crazy not to count that.

Only thing with judging a fighter on when they're "over the hill" is there's no official way of telling the point, time and fight that they're over the hill.

For example, let's say Julio Cesar Chavez, Sr. Some people say ODLH fought him when he was over the hill. But the thing is, at what point was he over the hill? Was it during his last 50 wins? If that's the case you have to discredit his last 50 wins and his opponents in the same breath...

See where I'm going..

[GreatestIam]

lol yeah I'm a big Floyd fan, but this guy thinks he would beat SRR?

Didnt say ZFloyd beats SRR, I said ZFloyd beats Armstrong..... RJJ beats SRR...

[BennyST]

He did beat more than Robinson.

And yes he did beat 13; IF you include his win over HOF referee Ruby Goldstein. I actually don't count that win to his HOF wins.

Others'

Tony Canzoneri
Pancho Villa
Lou Ambers
Barney Ross
Benny Leonard
Jackie Fields
Kid Kaplin
Young Corbett 3
Fidel LaBarba
Billy Petrolle
Sammy Mandell

Also, if you count his DQ win over Bud Taylor. (I do, some don't)

Add them all together with the controversial Taylor and Goldstein.

That's 13 HOF'ers. Amazing.

Now, I'm intrigued. Wouldn't it be 14 with Goldstein? Oh..that's right, he had a couple of other HOfers which he wasn't able to beat as he only fought them once wasn't it? Everyone he lost to that he rematched he was able to beat, so if he'd fought Broulliard again he would have beaten him and be the top guy here with 14.

We have LaBarba, Pal Moore, Bud Taylor, Pancho Villa, Louis Kaplan, Mandell, Goldstein, Petrolle, Leonard, Corbett III, Ross, Ambers, and Canzoneri.

It's funny today when someone like Pac beats 5 HOfers and suddenly people talk about him as if he's beaten every single champion in boxing's history and would scoff and laugh if you even mentioned the fact that someone like McLarnin etc might be better, quite easily. In today's boxing world when there are so many titles, so many champions, compared to then when you had one champion, ten times the amount of competition etc and you had guys like Greb, Armstrong, Robinson, Ali, McLarnin, Benny Leonard, Duran, Ross, Gans, Canzoneri beating as many and more in times when everything was so much harder and just getting a title shot or being a top five contender was the same as being a paper titlist is today.

I always use the example of Malignaggi....Don't know why, but he's never been a true champion. Whenever he stepped up to fight the next champion up he was beaten and yet people have called him a champion numerous times now. He is the classic of never would have been anything more than a brief ranked contender in past eras.

Anyway, that's way off topic.

What about B. Leonard and Canzoneri?

Leonard has Dundee, Kilbane, Kansas, Welsh, Britton, Kid Lewis, Ritchie, Tendler but I feel like I'm missing one or two? Now that's a lightweight resume!

Canzoneri: Bass, Taylor, Dundee, Kid Berg, Kid Chocolate, Petrolle, Arizmendi, Ambers, McLarnin.

Ross also has about 10 from memory too.