Comments Thread For: George Foreman: Klischko Was Afraid To Engage Haye

[joseph5620]

Yes. Foreman was even defeated by Tommy Morrison, who was a rather mediocre heavyweight. And he was losing to Moorer, who was a smaller heavyweight, when he landed the lucky punch.

George avoided fighting Lennox Lennox during those years for a good reason: he would have been brutally KOed just like Morrison and Briggs were.

Wlad was stopped by Ross Purrity who is levels below Tommy Morrison. I don't think you want to take it there.

[Steak]

Holyfield didn't convincingly beat Valuev -- Chagaev did far better than either Haye or Holyfield vs Valuev.

Hoyfield convincingly beat Valuev.
Although Ill definitely agree Chagaev did it better than both of them.

Why do you keep saying that Foreman beat Briggs when it was Briggs when got the decision.

Because it was a terrible robbery. Its a waste of time to pretend like it was a legitimately decision, everyone knows better.

The concept of losing a lineal title only by defeat in the ring is not only flawed, but limited, and subject to many different valid objections. The concept stems from the time that John L. Sullivan handed over his belt , the ONLY REAL ONE, to Corbett when Corbett KO'd him in the 23rd (?) rd. He really collapsed from exhaustion and bad livng. However, he lost, and made his historic ring speech.

You cannot regard a guy who has carefully and deliberately not fought anyone with a pulse for many years, as the continued, genuine lineal champion, when there are clearly many better fighters around. This bad habit was common in the old days, and was instrumental in bringing boxing into bad disrepute. Some of the old champions held the titles for years with practicallty no title fights. look at Dempsey keeping the title for the 3-4 years he was living it up in Hollywood, without a fight, before the Tunney fight. Of course that is a late example, and there are better ones earlier in the lighter weights.

Lineality had basically been forgotten for years, and understood to have been abandoned, until comparatively lately (in my terms) someone brought the concept to life again, and now we have all this puzzling and grizzling over it. Useless waste of time actually.

I know for a fact that for at least 30-40 years in my own experience the word "lineal" was never mentioned, at least I never saw it and I saw or heard almost everything to do with boxing.

I'll say good night, and thank you for the interesting, lively discussions.

The reason the lineal title has gained popularity again is because of the massive amount of BS titles that are on the line now, and people have to look to an insubstantial 'lineal' title to point to the best in the divison. I do not believe it is the end all be all and it has some majors flaws, most notably not being able to 'appoint' mandatories. Its just a concept fans have come up with again to point out a true champion in a mess of fakes.

He thinks no one has a video of Johnson-Ruiz, but I found a download about a year ago. Kirk Johnson did not get knocked down in that fight, and the commentators had him ahead at the time of the stoppage (although Kirk had been warned and deducted a point for low blows before the disqualification).

That is complete BS. I specifically know that Johnson was dropped, because I made a John Ruiz highlight(unfortunately lost forever due to deletion from youtube...) and that was a part of it. I dont remember if it was officially ruled a knockdown or not, but Johnson hit the canvas after being rocked with a right hand.

And Johnson had already lost two points for low blows. It was an ugly ass fight, and Ruiz probably did exaggerate like a jackass, but it was a legitimate DQ. you jsut cant hit low that often.

you always go on these insane rants about how much I hate the Klitschko brothers, when in reality you can find multiple posts about how I praise them. Its just that when I dare to say that another era was better, or that Foreman is an ATG, and magically I hate them again.
Youre just as obsessively nuts as your best friend Atlas.

[joseph5620]

Steak is always trying to change history to discredit one Klitschko or the other. He's one of the worst Klitschko haters we've ever had on this site.

He thinks no one has a video of Johnson-Ruiz, but I found a download about a year ago. Kirk Johnson did not get knocked down in that fight, and the commentators had him ahead at the time of the stoppage (although Kirk had been warned and deducted a point for low blows before the disqualification).

Steak called me a "moron" several months ago for saying Sam Peter was ranked as a top ten heavyweight when he fought Wlad the first time in 2005. I provided links to prove he was ranked in the top 10 by all four sanctioning organizations, but then Steak called me an idiot and said the only rankings he respects are The Ring's rankings. He said Sam Peter was not in the Ring top 10 when he fought Wlad in 2005, but in fact he was, and even ranked ahead of Wladimir, as we can see here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...=www.google.ca

Steak actually KNEW Peter was Ring Top Ten at that time - but he believed there was no way I could prove it on line.

The man is a mentally sick, obsessive Klitschko-hater.

No, actually he's just a man who is accurately recalling events in boxing history. You're just one of a long line of delusional idiots in this thread (including Edgard,Chopper) who worship the Klitschko's for one reason and one reason only. If anyone is sick and obsessive, it's clearly you. You're not interested in facts. Just your juvenile agenda. It's funny how you praise Foreman when he speaks highly of the Klitschko's. You even post threads when this happens. But as soon as he is in any way critical of either brother he's no longer credible to you. Comical.

[The Hammer]

Wlad was stopped by Ross Purrity who is levels below Tommy Morrison. I don't think you want to take it there.

In Wlad's first 12 round fight. He hadn't been past 6 rounds before that.

Wlad easily won every round, boxing beautifully but moving around too much for a man his size, trying too hard for the KO, showing off for his friends and family in his home town of Kiev, and gassed in the 11th.

Purrity with his "Philly shell" defense was very difficult to KO at that time, he was going gone the distance with punchers like Sanders and Rahman.

That loss really doesn't mean much at this time, except to Klitschko-haters who'll still use it to bash Wlad, even though it happened 13 years ago.

Prime Purrity, who outweighed the slender young Wlad by 24 pounds at that time (249 to Wlad's 225), wasn't "levels below" Tommy Morrison - let's not forget, Purrity and Morrison fought to a draw, and the mediocre Morrison was knocked down twice by Purrity in that fight.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:8570

[joseph5620]

In Wlad's first 12 round fight. He hadn't been past 6 rounds before that.

Wlad easily won every round, boxing beautifully but moving around too much for a man his size, trying too hard for the KO, showing off for his friends and family in his home town of Kiev, and gassed in the 11th.

Purrity with his "Philly shell" defense was very difficult to KO at that time, he was going gone the distance with punchers like Sanders and Rahman.

That loss really doesn't mean much at this time, except to Klitschko-haters who'll still use it to bash Wlad, even though it happened 13 years ago.

Prime Purrity, who outweighed the slender young Wlad by 24 pounds at that time (249 to Wlad's 225), wasn't "levels below" Tommy Morrison - let's not forget, Purrity and Morrison fought to a draw, and the mediocre Morrison was knocked down twice by Purrity in that fight.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:8570

And Foreman was over 40 years of age. But I guess he doesnt get a pass like your hero. What's your excuse for Wlad getting knocked out by a guy (Corrie Sanders)who never beat a single top 10 contender going into that fight? And don't even try to make Sanders something he wasn't. He was a mediocre fighter. If you say otherwise I'll gladly embarrass you.



And I already know Purrity and Morrison fought to a draw. I dont need boxrec like you apparently do. The difference is Morrison had a better career than Purrity and will always be known as the better fighter whether you like it or not. If anything at least Morrison got up and finished the fight with Purrity. Wlad couldn't. Purrity was a journeyman,sparring partner, and a club fighter. Nothing else. You've picked the wrong poster for that BS.

[Toney Loc]

I made a John Ruiz highlight(unfortunately lost forever due to deletion from youtube...)

Damn, son. Talk about having nothing better to do.

[The Hammer]

That is complete BS. I specifically know that Johnson was dropped, because I made a John Ruiz highlight(unfortunately lost forever due to deletion from youtube...) and that was a part of it. I dont remember if it was officially ruled a knockdown or not, but Johnson hit the canvas after being rocked with a right hand.

I have the video of Johnson-Ruiz, I posted it in our videos section. There was NO knockdown of Kirk Johnson in that fight.

Kirk was never down in a fight until he fought Vitali.

You have a sick need to LIE to discredit the Klitschkos, like when you said Sam Peter was not ranked in the Ring Top ten when Wlad fought him in 2005. You knew he actually was top 10, but you believed I wouldn't be able to prove it.

Why not be honest and admit you have an obsessive hatred for the K Bros?

[The Hammer]

And Foreman was over 40 years of age. But I guess he doesnt get a pass like your hero. What's your excuse for Wlad getting knocked out by a guy (Corrie Sanders)who never beat a single top 10 contender going into that fight? And don't even try to make Sanders something he wasn't. He was a mediocre fighter. If you say otherwise I'll gladly embarrass you.

Foreman was about the same age Vitali is now? But I guess Vitali will never get a pass like your heroes?

George Foreman was awesome back in the 70s when he was destroying top heavyweights like Frazier and Norton, but the 90s version of Foreman was slow and flabby.

And I already know Purrity and Morrison fought to a draw. I dont need boxrec like you apparently do. The difference is Morrison had a better career than Purrity and will always be known as the better fighter whether you like it or not. If anything at least Morrison got up and finished the fight with Purrity. Wlad couldn't. Purrity was a journeyman,sparring partner, and a club fighter. Nothing else. You've picked the wrong poster for that BS.

It's reveals your ridiculous Klitschko hatred when you bringing up Wlad's fight with Purrity 13 years ago.

Morrison was just an overhyped clubfighter. Lewis, Mercer and even Bentt easily destroyed him. His only decent win was over an old Foreman.

Yes, Wlad's had a few losses too. But be fair and compare Wlad's career accomplishments to Morrison's (he never had the IBF, Ring or WBA titles, just the WBO, which wasn't recognized by many people at the time).

[UglyPug]

damn so many good posts i want to co-sign on i literally can't reply and mention them all. as usual, edgarg and medved taking everyone to school. . . I don't care what anyone says, NO WAY that either of the klitschko bro's wouldn't be an EXTREMELY dangerous fight for ANY HW, or ANY ERA. As much nostalgia as the "golden era's" strike up in you, PLEASE keep it in perspective. . .

[whatismyname]

Foreman was about the same age Vitali is now? But I guess Vitali will never get a pass like your heroes?

George Foreman was awesome back in the 70s when he was destroying top heavyweights like Frazier and Norton, but the 90s version of Foreman was slow and flabby.



It's reveals your ridiculous Klitschko hatred when you bringing up Wlad's fight with Purrity 13 years ago.

Morrison was just an overhyped clubfighter. Lewis, Mercer and even Bentt easily destroyed him. His only decent win was over an old Foreman.

Yes, Wlad's had a few losses too. But be fair and compare Wlad's career accomplishments to Morrison's (he never had the IBF, Ring or WBA titles, just the WBO, which wasn't recognized by many people at the time).

The klits waited for everybody to retire to start their reign. Foreman is an all time great who took on all beasts. There is no comparison what so ever.

and why do you losers bash these boxers?