Myth Buster Series Pt 1: Miguel Cotto one of The GREAT fighters Floyd avoided?!?!?!

[Atreyu Khalil]

Well my brother Quintana was the guy who threw a perfect game against an undefeated PWILL the most avoided fighter at that particular time...The same guy thousands of poster claim would have defeated Cotto had they ever fought back then. I'm not here to to hype up Cotto just stating a fact. May has been able to stay at the top of the sport by not taking any risks in the past few years. I don't like to discredit anyone but look at the following list. Cotto, Margarito, PWill, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana, Berto, Cintron, and recently Pac. Tie these guys up and then tie up May which ever way possible. TS made a thread to "bust a myth". There is no myth facts are simple Mayweather retired at a time where the division was getting hot! I don't like to use the word "duck" I don't necessarely think he ducked anyone I'm sure he would have had the upper edge on all of them but guess what he conveniently retired waited for the smoke to clear and came back. Let's get real folks. Cotto may not be an All-Time Great but I have more respect for him than Floyd.

and who is Paul Williams?

why are we talking about guys who aren't elite level fighters? P will nor Quintana aren't ELITE, they are just good fighters.

and how could Mayweather duck Cotto when they were never even scheduled to fight. Its funny Mayweather ducked Cotto & Margarito AFTER he leaves Top Rank.......Arum was pissed that Mayweather ditched him and starts making big bucks.

Mayweather beat Hatton in 2007 Dec....about 8 months later Cotto lost to Margarito. How is that ducking?

In 2006 when Mayweather moved up to WW to fight Mitchell & Judah, Cotto was still at JWW and at the time was still on Top Rank, was Mayweather ducking Cotto then?

[Atreyu Khalil]

None of us know if he would have beaten mayweather but its a fact that losing to margacheato has nothing to do with it. why even bother saying it?

its called a timeline of events

[Brother Jay]

who cares what you say floyd could of fought all those guys in the ring and proved they werent a threat. fighters usually use that as proof of there greatness. FMJ relies on **** riding fans droning on about floyd winning fantasy fights that never happened. #gethip*****

Ahem ... Floyd has done something that NO ONE YOU ARE A FAN OF has done:

He's fought the #1 and #2 in every division he's competed in. Kostya Tszyu is the ONLY champion Floyd did not fight because Tszyu adamantly demanded a 60/40 split.

Who else has done this?

Fight the #1 and #2 is the ONLY measure of a champion. You don't get to decide who the real threat was or is. Rank determines that.

This whole thread only exists because Cotto fans are busy combing the desert .. looking for genie lamps .. so that they can wish for Cotto to have been a better fighter. Talk about fantasy.

If Cotto fans want Mayweather to have fought Miguel earlier, then get a time machine and:

1 - Make sure that Cotto doesn't refuse offers for a fight against Floyd.

-and-

2 - Make sure Cotto stays relevant more than 8 months. After that loss to Margarito, Miguel hadn't won anything significant until Foreman.

That's a couple of weeks away from being a FULL 2 YEARS!!!

[Hougigo]

Oh.... so I shouldn't pay to watch it?
Okay

[Atreyu Khalil]

Ahem ... Floyd has done something that NO ONE YOU ARE A FAN OF has done:

He's fought the #1 and #2 in every division he's competed in. Kostya Tszyu is the ONLY champion Floyd did not fight because Tszyu adamantly demanded a 60/40 split.

Who else has done this?

Fight the #1 and #2 is the ONLY measure of a champion. You don't get to decide who the real threat was or is. Rank determines that.

This whole thread only exists because Cotto fans are busy combing the desert .. looking for genie lamps .. so that they can wish for Cotto to have been a better fighter. Talk about fantasy.

If Cotto fans want Mayweather to have fought Miguel earlier, then get a time machine and:

1 - Make sure that Cotto doesn't refuse offers for a fight against Floyd.

-and-

2 - Make sure Cotto stays relevant more than 8 months. After that loss to Margarito, Miguel hadn't won anything significant until Foreman.

That's a couple of weeks away from being a FULL 2 YEARS!!!

its a lost cause with these guys. They don't deal with facts. All these are facts. They are bringing their emotions into the debate. Fact is that Cotto never beat a TITLE HOLDER until he fought Yuri Foreman No matter how they slice it, its truth.

Also when Mayweather fought Corrales it was 6th defense of the WBC Super Featherweight Title. Corrales was undefeated and on the p4p list

[Atreyu Khalil]

Oh.... so I shouldn't pay to watch it?
Okay

Im going to

[W@rri0r]

and who is Paul Williams?

why are we talking about guys who aren't elite level fighters? P will nor Quintana aren't ELITE, they are just good fighters.

and how could Mayweather duck Cotto when they were never even scheduled to fight. Its funny Mayweather ducked Cotto & Margarito AFTER he leaves Top Rank.......Arum was pissed that Mayweather ditched him and starts making big bucks.

Mayweather beat Hatton in 2007 Dec....about 8 months later Cotto lost to Margarito. How is that ducking?

In 2006 when Mayweather moved up to WW to fight Mitchell & Judah, Cotto was still at JWW and at the time was still on Top Rank, was Mayweather ducking Cotto then?

In no way shape or form have I stated may ducked Cotto. I'm just defending him yes I said defending making a statement. The guy faced virtually every guy that was placed in front of him. Just like Pac fans defend Pac just like May fans defend May. We all can make a case as to how, when this, that, could have, maybe ect. Fact remains and will remain for many years to come just like people like to argue about the past great heavies now. The fact that May will be remembered for the times he avoided threats more than the times he did great things in the ring. Historically Cotto will be remembered as a true warrior. Another thing I would like to say in regards to Cotto haters. Since so many people want to discredit Cotto's resume at 147 because he never defeated a reinging champ. Then I'm guessing in you guy's opinion Ortiz @147 > Cotto @ 147 because Ortiz beat the WBC champ in Berto? So is that u guy's logic?

[Brother Jay]

Well my brother Quintana was the guy who threw a perfect game against an undefeated PWILL the most avoided fighter at that particular time...The same guy thousands of poster claim would have defeated Cotto had they ever fought back then. I'm not here to to hype up Cotto just stating a fact. May has been able to stay at the top of the sport by not taking any risks in the past few years. I don't like to discredit anyone but look at the following list. Cotto, Margarito, PWill, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana, Berto, Cintron, and recently Pac. Tie these guys up and then tie up May which ever way possible. TS made a thread to "bust a myth". There is no myth facts are simple Mayweather retired at a time where the division was getting hot! I don't like to use the word "duck" I don't necessarely think he ducked anyone I'm sure he would have had the upper edge on all of them but guess what he conveniently retired waited for the smoke to clear and came back. Let's get real folks. Cotto may not be an All-Time Great but I have more respect for him than Floyd.

First off, you're entire post is predicated on "what other people said". What people "say" has no bearing on ANYTHING. Since when has speculation done anything but breed more speculation?

That was incredibly weak.

Next you say that Mayweather didn't fight Cotto, Margarito, PWill, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana, Berto, Cintron, and recently Pac.

Let's examine that.

Cotto - has one win in his whole career that would have warranted some notice, and 8 months later he was beaten into a bloody puddle.

Margarito - has one win in his entire career over Cotto that would have warranted some attention, but 6 months later Mosley left him cradled in the arms of the ref like a newborn baby.

PWILL - a virtual nobody who came out of nowhere and upset Margarito. In his very next fight he was upset by virtual unknown Quintana.

Clottey - hasn't EVER defeated a world champion in his entire career. Not worth mentioning other than a Top Rank muppet used to elevate other Top Rank fighters.

Mosley - EARNED the top spot from Margarito by knocking him out when Antonio was #1 for beating Cotto. Was the #1WW when he approached Floyd in the ring for a fight. His loss to Cotto is HIGHLY ARGUABLE and think he got shafted.

Quintana had 15 minutes of fame for exposing a flaw in PWILL's defense that still hasn't been addressed. THAT IS IT.

Berto's biggest fight came against Victor Ortiz, a jrWW whose heart was questioned but redeemed in a FOTY candidate that he EARNED against Andre.

Cintron - Less accomplished than Quintana. Nuff said.

Manny Pacquiao - after fighting Diaz, waited on 6 different occasions for 6 different fighters to lose before he was willing to face them. There is a YouTube vid that chronicles the way Roach explains that Manny will only face fighter when they are vulnerable and willing to cut weight.

You REALLY need to learn more about boxing before you go around pretending that you're qualified to pontificate about it.

Whether you like it or not,. Mayweather fights the WINNERS. They have to EARN the mega payday against the cash cow.

Cotto got destroyed by Margarito and Pacquiao =2 losses

Margarito got destroyed by Mosley and Pacquiao = 3 losses if you include the loss to PWILL.

Berto lost his chance to Ortiz.

PWILL and Cintron didn't earn a shot.

You're really reaching by suggesting that a champion chases challengers and not the other way around. A champion may challenge himself by going up to another division, but chasing contenders? You must be new to boxing.

[W@rri0r]

First off, you're entire post is predicated on "what other people said". What people "say" has no bearing on ANYTHING. Since when has speculation done anything but breed more speculation?

That was incredibly weak.

Next you say that Mayweather didn't fight Cotto, Margarito, PWill, Clottey, Mosley, Quintana, Berto, Cintron, and recently Pac.

Let's examine that.

Cotto - has one win in his whole career that would have warranted some notice, and 8 months later he was beaten into a bloody puddle.

Margarito - has one win in his entire career over Cotto that would have warranted some attention, but 6 months later Mosley left him cradled in the arms of the ref like a newborn baby.

PWILL - a virtual nobody who came out of nowhere and upset Margarito. In his very next fight he was upset by virtual unknown Quintana.

Clottey - hasn't EVER defeated a world champion in his entire career. Not worth mentioning other than a Top Rank muppet used to elevate other Top Rank fighters.

Mosley - EARNED the top spot from Margarito by knocking him out when Antonio was #1 for beating Cotto. Was the #1WW when he approached Floyd in the ring for a fight. His loss to Cotto is HIGHLY ARGUABLE and think he got shafted.

Quintana had 15 minutes of fame for exposing a flaw in PWILL's defense that still hasn't been addressed. THAT IS IT.

Berto's biggest fight came against Victor Ortiz, a jrWW whose heart was questioned but redeemed in a FOTY candidate that he EARNED against Andre.

Cintron - Less accomplished than Quintana. Nuff said.

Manny Pacquiao - after fighting Diaz, waited on 6 different occasions for 6 different fighters to lose before he was willing to face them. There is a YouTube vid that chronicles the way Roach explains that Manny will only face fighter when they are vulnerable and willing to cut weight.

You REALLY need to learn more about boxing before you go around pretending that you're qualified to pontificate about it.

Whether you like it or not,. Mayweather fights the WINNERS. They have to EARN the mega payday against the cash cow.

Cotto got destroyed by Margarito and Pacquiao =2 losses

Margarito got destroyed by Mosley and Pacquiao = 3 losses if you include the loss to PWILL.

Berto lost his chance to Ortiz.

PWILL and Cintron didn't earn a shot.

You're really reaching by suggesting that a champion chases challengers and not the other way around. A champion may challenge himself by going up to another division, but chasing contenders? You must be new to boxing.

The only thing I'm new to is the nuthuggery round these parts if u read my posts well enough...maybe my delivery is off but o well keep on brother. I never stated may ducked anyone I give Floyd credit for his last outing against Ortiz. You mofos ride his **** very hard. If i'm no expert neither are you. Neither are several of the boxing analysts, sports writers, past fighters that have stated the same things I have stated today. Yes Cotto is my favorite fighter. Did May duck him? No, but has allowed a lot of smoke to clear.

[ADP02]

its a lost cause with these guys. They don't deal with facts. All these are facts. They are bringing their emotions into the debate. Fact is that Cotto never beat a TITLE HOLDER until he fought Yuri Foreman No matter how they slice it, its truth.

Also when Mayweather fought Corrales it was 6th defense of the WBC Super Featherweight Title. Corrales was undefeated and on the p4p list

You guys are totally wrong!

Margarito demanded for a fight but never got it .... Floyd avoided that fight .... FACT!

Cotto was still green at 140lbs and that is when Floyd wanted Cotto but later Floyd hid behind his retirement once he saw that there were a lot of big fighters at 147lbs ... maybe it was coincidence .... but after Floyd has consistently continued to avoid these type of fights that could improve his legacy, how can you call your statements FACTS? Floyd in the Costas and other interviews re-affirmed what I stated.

After knowing about Margarito cheating, Floyd said in an interview a while back that he knew that that there was something wrong about Margarito and that is why he avoided that fight ... without saying the word, Floyd admitted that he ducked Margarito.

Again, your statements are flawed for the simple reason that Floyd wanted to fight a green Cotto so those comments of yours that "Cotto never fought a champ so he didn't deserve a fight until now with Floyd" are wrong!

Plus you don't need to be the champ to deserve a fight .... at least its not been the only criteria for a fight .....