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  • ThePrince
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    #21
    Originally posted by HaglerSteelChin
    The NSAC and NYSAC are all talk- NO ACTION. They have had plenty of chances through their medical advisory boards to modernize testing but have failed.
    From 2 days ago...

    Nevada to begin random drug tests

    The Nevada State Athletic Commission is once again in position to randomly drug test licensed fighters who are out-of-competition. Regular testing of athletes is expected to start this month.

    The commission has had the authority to randomly test its athletes since 2008, but financial restrictions have limited its ability to do so since 2009. That changed last month, when Gov. Brian Sandoval signed into law a bill that will feed close to $200,000 into the state's program during the next two years.

    "We have the money this month, so I would be surprised if we didn't do some tests in July," Keith Kizer, executive director of NSAC, told ESPN.com. "Each test runs right around $200, so when it's all said and done, we'll test a pretty good chunk."

    Out-of-competition testing provides the commission a strong tool to catch athletes who are abusing banned substances during training camps. Typically, fighters are tested the week of competition, which allows time to cycle off certain supplements.

    Although all licensed fighters are fair game to be tested, Kizer said the commission would likely focus on those who have a fight scheduled in Nevada within the next two months, as those are the ones most likely to be using.

    "From my understanding, about 4-to-6 weeks out is the best time to test somebody for steroids or similar substances because that's probably when they're at their peak," Kizer said.

    The NSAC is aware, however, the more predictable testing schedules are, the easier it will be for athletes to navigate around them.

    To counter that, the commission will vary the timing of the tests as well as test fighters who might not have a fight scheduled at all or are scheduled to fight in another state.

    "We don't want to be stationary with these tests," Kizer said. "If a guy is a user but has no fight coming up, he might not be on it. So, we want to test them when they're planning to use.

    "But, we'll probably have a few guys who may have fought a couple months earlier we'll call up. They might say, 'What the hell?' but I don't care. They're going in."

    Should a case come up where a fighter fails a drug test and is scheduled to compete in another state, the athlete would have the right to a hearing before the NSAC ruled on a suspension. Although it would be case by case, chances are the fighter would be pulled from his scheduled fight.

    "It wouldn't be an automatic prohibition of them fighting somewhere else," said Kizer, regarding that situation. "But I can say on the flip side, if it happened in another state and was brought to our attention, they wouldn't be fighting here."

    Any licensed athlete that does not comply with a random drug test request would not be automatically suspended, but would have to explain his or her circumstances to the commission.

    "If you don't do it, that can be used against you," Kizer said. "You're going to have to explain why and if you have no explanation, you'll be denied a license for failing to comply."

    The program was put to use in 2008 and early 2009 before funds dried out. During that time, 100 percent of the athletes who were randomly selected took the test and passed. The list included high-profile names such as Brock Lesnar, Tito Ortiz, B.J. Penn, and boxing champions Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

    All results of the random tests will be available on public record, according to Kizer.

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      #22
      Originally posted by ThePrince
      **** are you talking about?

      Margarito was suspended for a year. That's a year longer than USADA is allowed to reprimand any pro boxer. They have absolutely no power, authority, or jurisdiction when it comes to pro boxing. This is a fact.
      So why is Team Pacquiao ducking USADA testing? They must just be happy to be making millions fighting old washed up fighters that are coming of terrible performances. Team Pacquiao has been flawless with this strategy.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Hi Hater
        So why is Team Pacquiao ducking USADA testing? They must just be happy to be making millions fighting old washed up fighters that are coming of terrible performances. Team Pacquiao has been flawless with this strategy.
        Read the first line of my first post in this thread. Pretty much sums it up.

        Peace

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          #24
          Originally posted by Hi Hater
          So why is Team Pacquiao ducking USADA testing? They must just be happy to be making millions fighting old washed up fighters that are coming of terrible performances. Team Pacquiao has been flawless with this strategy.
          this is typical Pac/Top Rank. They have agreed to testing, but will now come with all kinds of new BS reasons that there is no one with the authority to do the testing.

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            #25
            Originally posted by ThePrince
            From 2 days ago...

            Nevada to begin random drug tests

            The Nevada State Athletic Commission is once again in position to randomly drug test licensed fighters who are out-of-competition. Regular testing of athletes is expected to start this month.

            The commission has had the authority to randomly test its athletes since 2008, but financial restrictions have limited its ability to do so since 2009. That changed last month, when Gov. Brian Sandoval signed into law a bill that will feed close to $200,000 into the state's program during the next two years.

            "We have the money this month, so I would be surprised if we didn't do some tests in July," Keith Kizer, executive director of NSAC, told ESPN.com. "Each test runs right around $200, so when it's all said and done, we'll test a pretty good chunk."

            Out-of-competition testing provides the commission a strong tool to catch athletes who are abusing banned substances during training camps. Typically, fighters are tested the week of competition, which allows time to cycle off certain supplements.

            Although all licensed fighters are fair game to be tested, Kizer said the commission would likely focus on those who have a fight scheduled in Nevada within the next two months, as those are the ones most likely to be using.

            "From my understanding, about 4-to-6 weeks out is the best time to test somebody for steroids or similar substances because that's probably when they're at their peak," Kizer said.

            The NSAC is aware, however, the more predictable testing schedules are, the easier it will be for athletes to navigate around them.

            To counter that, the commission will vary the timing of the tests as well as test fighters who might not have a fight scheduled at all or are scheduled to fight in another state.

            "We don't want to be stationary with these tests," Kizer said. "If a guy is a user but has no fight coming up, he might not be on it. So, we want to test them when they're planning to use.

            "But, we'll probably have a few guys who may have fought a couple months earlier we'll call up. They might say, 'What the hell?' but I don't care. They're going in."

            Should a case come up where a fighter fails a drug test and is scheduled to compete in another state, the athlete would have the right to a hearing before the NSAC ruled on a suspension. Although it would be case by case, chances are the fighter would be pulled from his scheduled fight.

            "It wouldn't be an automatic prohibition of them fighting somewhere else," said Kizer, regarding that situation. "But I can say on the flip side, if it happened in another state and was brought to our attention, they wouldn't be fighting here."

            Any licensed athlete that does not comply with a random drug test request would not be automatically suspended, but would have to explain his or her circumstances to the commission.

            "If you don't do it, that can be used against you," Kizer said. "You're going to have to explain why and if you have no explanation, you'll be denied a license for failing to comply."

            The program was put to use in 2008 and early 2009 before funds dried out. During that time, 100 percent of the athletes who were randomly selected took the test and passed. The list included high-profile names such as Brock Lesnar, Tito Ortiz, B.J. Penn, and boxing champions Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

            All results of the random tests will be available on public record, according to Kizer.

            http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/...ory?id=6747430
            Does this include random blood tests? Also why say the best time to test is 5-6 weeks on peak levels? If it is random why give dates? He mentionds Sterioids and similar substances but how about HGH and EPO?

            If they do full random tests that i applaud this. But i find it funny since they state they had the authority to do it since 2008 but only recently got $200,000 and the ability to do it? They have had many multi million dollar fights in the last years why not just pass the bill as mandatory cost for promotrs and fighters coming to vegas? The average bill for random testing can get up to $20,000 which is pocket change for some of the bigger fights.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ThePrince


              I'll simplify it for you, see if you catch on...

              Scenario 1: USADA handles testing.

              Scenario 2: NSAC handles testing (w/ WADA/IOC overseeing).

              Question 1: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter refuses to be tested?

              Question 2: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter fails a test?

              After you answer those 2 questions, replace scenario 1 with scenario 2, then tell me which scenario is more effective.
              Both are an oxymoron and non relevant , it doesnt matter who does the testing as far as punitive authority goes , that is the point !

              If a fighter refused to be tested once testing starts , its as good as a positive test , do you really need to ask that sheees ! when you ever get told by a policeman to blow in the breathalyzer at a road check just refuse and see what happens .

              Every authority outsources and that outsourcing has nothing to do with prosecution outside its job of lab testing , Arum would need to furnish some sort of example of where the USADA were in someway non professional or something , he needs to cite something that shows the USADA incompetent .

              How about they put who Bob wants and who Floyd wants and pull one out of a hat and thats the one they use !

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                #27
                Originally posted by ThePrince
                **** are you talking about?

                Margarito was suspended for a year. That's a year longer than USADA is allowed to reprimand any pro boxer. They have absolutely no power, authority, or jurisdiction when it comes to pro boxing. This is a fact.
                The whole point of this whole testing Shit is that those commissions suck dick when it comes to this shit. I can't believe people are actually trying to defend this point. This shit fuckin blows my mind how fuckin ****** people on here are. I hate to fucking say it but it was never this bad pre Pac hype.
                Last edited by *El Prieto*; 07-09-2011, 07:40 PM.

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                • FistoftheDallasStar
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                  #28
                  It simply is a compromise tactic. You can't let your opponent take control of the fight and only want "his" terms. Manny commands as much respect if not more than Mayweather. You don't see Pac trying to control what Mayweather does in his preparation for the fight. Wanting to have some sort of advantage or control of the fight is showing everyone that he is not very secure in his God given talent to handle Manny.

                  He actually has more things to worry about than negotiate a Pac fight right now anyway.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by FistoftheDallasStar
                    It simply is a compromise tactic. You can't let your opponent take control of the fight and only want "his" terms. Manny commands as much respect if not more than Mayweather. You don't see Pac trying to control what Mayweather does in his preparation for the fight. Wanting to have some sort of advantage or control of the fight is showing everyone that he is not very secure in his God given talent to handle Manny.

                    He actually has more things to worry about than negotiate a Pac fight right now anyway.
                    They take the same tests so what are you on about , and dont talk of Manny not trying to control the training of his opponents , do you understand the chain reaction of forcing a CW ?

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Reloaded
                      They take the same tests so what are you on about , and dont talk of Manny not trying to control the training of his opponents , do you understand the chain reaction of forcing a CW ?
                      What am I on about? I just put in my opinion on the matter. I think you are getting way too excited about this. If Mayweather wants to fight he will fight if not he won't. It's as simple as that.

                      Is Manny trying to control the training of Mayweather? Catch weights are different than forcing a drug test to have the fight. I'm not a fan of the catch weight as well but it can be negotiated when a fighter is moving up in weight as much as Manny has in the last few years. With a CW the fighter can still train the way he usually trains without an unneeded second company coming in.

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