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  • milked
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    #11
    Originally posted by ThePrince
    This is why internet access should be granted only to people with an IQ over 40

    He wasn't worried about Pacquiao failing a test, he was questioning USADA's right and legitimacy to handle testing for professional boxing events:

    "We have an organization that has no authority [USADA] and even does it [blood testing] without reporting to an organization that is responsible for the conduct of the fight".

    As in, if a fighter fails does USADA even have the authority to reprimand them? The answer is a resounding no. USADA has no jurisdiction in Professional boxing.

    Did you really think Arum would be ****** enough to say ask publicly "OMG what happens if Manny fails the drug test because he's cheating?!"

    Use your brains
    good post..........

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    • ThePrince
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      #12
      Originally posted by Phenom
      Nevada Athletic Commission can't either as proven by Antonio Margarito and his promoter Arum. so that's a ****** reason to put another road block in negotiations no?
      **** are you talking about?

      Margarito was suspended for a year. That's a year longer than USADA is allowed to reprimand any pro boxer. They have absolutely no power, authority, or jurisdiction when it comes to pro boxing. This is a fact.

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        #13
        Originally posted by ThePrince
        This is why internet access should be granted only to people with an IQ over 40

        He wasn't worried about Pacquiao failing a test, he was questioning USADA's right and legitimacy to handle testing for professional boxing events:

        "We have an organization that has no authority [USADA] and even does it [blood testing] without reporting to an organization that is responsible for the conduct of the fight".

        As in, if a fighter fails does USADA even have the authority to reprimand them? The answer is a resounding no. USADA has no jurisdiction in Professional boxing.

        Did you really think Arum would be ****** enough to say ask publicly "OMG what happens if Manny fails the drug test because he's cheating?!"

        Use your brains
        Trying to use rational thought process here but becoming very hard with the nonsense most people argue. Arum has a clean fighter that wants to fight Floyd Mayweather then he has to take the test. If not say so and move on. Its obvious Arum cares nothing about boxer safety and the condition of the sport. If so he wouldve dumped Margaritos anus a long time ago for that blatant attempt at cheating although it was against another cheater.

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        • Wapacman
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          #14
          Here we go! This will be thier new way to duck Floyd. They will say we excepted the testing, but there is no one in boxing that has the authority to do that type of testing.
          Last edited by Wapacman; 07-09-2011, 06:52 PM.

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          • LupinIII
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            #15
            Originally posted by Gino Ros
            now Arum asks the media.
            link?

            .......

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            • Reloaded
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              #16
              Originally posted by ThePrince
              This is why internet access should be granted only to people with an IQ over 40

              He wasn't worried about Pacquiao failing a test, he was questioning USADA's right and legitimacy to handle testing for professional boxing events:

              "We have an organization that has no authority [USADA] and even does it [blood testing] without reporting to an organization that is responsible for the conduct of the fight".

              As in, if a fighter fails does USADA even have the authority to reprimand them? The answer is a resounding no. USADA has no jurisdiction in Professional boxing.

              Did you really think Arum would be ****** enough to say ask publicly "OMG what happens if Manny fails the drug test because he's cheating?!"

              Use your brains
              The testers dont need authority to punish what a silly notion , they take the tests and report the findings to the people that have the authority to do something official about it ,,, I cant believe your way of thinking here its like
              forensics , they are lab workers not police or judge just the science people that do the testing .

              So how about you use your brain in real world situations .

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                #17
                Originally posted by Phenom
                Nevada Athletic Commission can't either as proven by Antonio Margarito and his promoter Arum. so that's a ****** reason to put another road block in negotiations no?
                margarito wasnt busted in nevada and wasnt apporved to fight in nevada so what's ur point

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                • ThePrince
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Reloaded
                  The testers dont need authority to punish what a silly notion , they take the tests and report the findings to the people that have the authority to do something official about it ,,, I cant believe your way of thinking here its like
                  forensics , they are lab workers not police or judge just the science people that do the testing .

                  So how about you use your brain in real world situations .


                  I'll simplify it for you, see if you catch on...

                  Scenario 1: USADA handles testing.

                  Scenario 2: NSAC handles testing (w/ WADA/IOC overseeing).

                  Question 1: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter refuses to be tested?

                  Question 2: What happens if in Scenario 1 a fighter fails a test?

                  After you answer those 2 questions, replace scenario 1 with scenario 2, then tell me which scenario is more effective.
                  Last edited by ThePrince; 07-09-2011, 07:07 PM.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Reloaded
                    Thats twice now its been made public about Arum being concerned about a positive test ,, I mean " why " if you know your man is clean does this even enter your mind let alone asking what will happen , it just seems to me to be a very guilty thought process , if they really clean this should not even be a thought .
                    Arum is worried about Floyd paying his agency to say Pac failed a test....

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                    • HaglerSteelChin
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                      #20
                      The whole argument is a bit trivial in all points. The CSAC suspended Margarito not the NSAC, Margs tried to fight in Nevada but they told him to get reinstated in California first, the location where the actual infraction happened.

                      The WBC pretty much handed Margs a vacant WBC international title when he fought an unknown Garcia and than gave him a shot at a vacant title against Pacquiao in Texas. There are simply too many athletic commissions and international options for a fighter even if testing positive be really finished with their career. Numerous fighters have tested positive and have been reinstated with minimal damage. Boxing has no universal one commission and this allows boxers an promoters to fight in jurisdictions with standard to their liking. Remember Tyson-Lewis happened in Memphis since Tyson wasen't allowed to fight in Vegas.

                      Having the USADA is probably more advised since they are an independent from the sport and not easily going to be bought out by promoters or state athletic commissions. Shane Mosley and now Victor Oritiz have agreed to do the tests.

                      The NSAC and NYSAC are all talk- NO ACTION. They have had plenty of chances through their medical advisory boards to modernize testing but have failed.

                      There can be independent agencies that can actually review the work of the USADA if Arum is so concerned. Arum is a Havard trained attorney he can take action if USADA has improriety in conducting of tests or the issue of false positives. I think the cut off date should be a bigger issue than the USADA.
                      Last edited by HaglerSteelChin; 07-09-2011, 07:09 PM.

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