How do you rank Wlad pound-for-pound?

[minasyan]

How silly of a statement of course he outskills, ppl. How else would such a massive target be so hard to hit by a faster smaller fighter like Haye or Chambers if there was none or very little skill involved?

Having Donaire above him based on his 24 tuneups and 2 good wins is a joke at this point.

Have to agree with this

Wladamir and his brother are probably the most skilled fighters going around you can put fighters like Mayweather up there too. These guys land and not get hit. What else do people want them to do? lol

Their smarts outside the ring are taken inside with them and with great trainers by their side puts them as the most skilled in my opinion. Similar to the way we see Italy play football at times with their slow defensive play but surely you cannot say they had no skill after winning the World Cup in previous years.

[Curtiz]

this is a ****ing joke

rated above mayweather

gtfo

[xAUGUSTUSx]

It's hard to rate big HW's P4P. The entire thing with P4P (or atleast how I understand it) is that it's basically saying "if everyone was the same size who would be the best" And Wladimir fights people when he's about 20-30 pounds bigger then them.

I hate P4P and think it's a ****** concept, but if you take away Klitchsko's size advantage then I don't really think he's too high on the P4P list... Maybe top 10?

I don't think P4P has anything to do with past achievements. I always thought it was more of a "who's better know" type thing.

People have been ranked P4P from achievments. If you took away Klitschko's size he would be able to fight different. He does everything possible for a guy his size. Lewis was even less active than Wlad in the ring. There's been lots of big guys even bigger than Wlad who were not successful. Against bigger men Wlad would look really athletic. People forget that Wlad has a full arsenal he just does'nt use it.

[bojangles1987]

I don't. It's a general rule I have that I don't like to put heavyweights in my p4p top 10. Wlad is a damn good heavyweight, but I definitely wouldn't put him near my p4p top ten. The whole point of p4p is that if you take two fighters and size wasn't an issue, who is better and who would win? I don't see how you can watch Wlad and say that guys in lower divisions wouldn't kick the sh** out of him p4p. I can easily name 10.

[Who are you?]

The whole point of p4p is that if you take two fighters and size wasn't an issue, who is better and who would win?

Right, and in that respect, this best demonstration of this skill is through achievement. Thus we can say that P4P list, or a hypothetical list without size differences, takes into account skill and achievement.

It stands to reason that without using weightclasses, skill is best assessed throguh achievement.

This is why Bernard Hopkins is rated on P4P list despite being old, slow, and not a strong puncher. Because P4P has a lot to do with achievement.

In that regard, Wladimir is the most dominant champion in boxing and has been for 7 years.

Anyone who doesnt rate Wlad P4P is an absolute moron, full stop. The guy has been champ for 7 years constantly beating top10 guys.

Wlad is a clear #1 or #2 in the World P4P.

[-JUGGERNAUT-]

1. W. Klitschko
2. M. Pacquiao
3. S. Martinez

I rank him as No. 1. Mayweather shouldn't even be on the list.

[-JUGGERNAUT-]

Yet no option for top 15 or 20!

That option is reserved for mentally challenged people such as yourself, Mr. One-Foot-In-The-Grave.

[-JUGGERNAUT-]

I don't. It's a general rule I have that I don't like to put heavyweights in my p4p top 10. Wlad is a damn good heavyweight, but I definitely wouldn't put him near my p4p top ten. The whole point of p4p is that if you take two fighters and size wasn't an issue, who is better and who would win? I don't see how you can watch Wlad and say that guys in lower divisions wouldn't kick the sh** out of him p4p. I can easily name 10.

That's because you are a fool who has a very narrow view of the concept of P4P rankings. It can also be viewed as a comparative measure of achievements through weightclasses, not purely a h2h measurement you ******.

[Who are you?]

That option is reserved for mentally challenged people such as yourself, Mr. One-Foot-In-The-Grave.

Exactly, I really didn't think some people would be ******ed enough to say he'd be outside of top10.

These people are a serious minority and are downright mentally challenged.

Wlad is a CLEAR top10, closer to top3 P4P fighter.

The majority of people view it this way, and many people in this thread even say Wlad is the #1 P4P in the World.

[mathed]

Top 10......you have to remember in the HW division you can outweigh your opponent by 20-30 pounds on average and have a 5 or 6 inch height advantage over your opponents. Other guys in the lower divisions have the confines of the 7 pound weight class,this is why Wlad will never be ranked p4p #1 no matter who he beats. Hewould need to fight his brother and KO him in order for people to actually give him the credit some people feel he deserves.