Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[IMDAZED]

now you're talking.!!!!!!!

floyd could make history speed up in this situation. if he drops the demands, the only thing manny could do to save face would be to agree to OST voluntarily IMO.

That's your idea. I think by finding legit challenges who could give a flying **** about testing, he's proving his point quite fine.

[brick wall]

lol this is very rare...*****s vs neutral fans duking it out in a floyd/pac saga debate.

[Mr. Philadel]

IMO the testing was uncalled for.It did seem like a way to avoid the fight.Also,Floyd's last 2 fights have had the #'s firmly on there side.To those who pay attention.When Floyd battered Mosley,he was the champion & in the opinion of all,the true top dawg at welterweight.Now He's fighting Ortiz which is the best welterweight & titlist not named Pacman.

Pacman & his team have been content in beating clearly shot fighters,bad move,it's caught up to them with this simple move by Floyd.But unlike most,I don't think Ortiz is gonna be an easy night for Floyd.He's fast,young,strong & now he's got confidence.I remember when Walt got pissed at me roughly around the time I stopped supporting Pacman,right after Pacman-Margarito was signed.

Another thing I feel should be notted,espn are clearly on a Pacman high & that network has casual fan ****ed off in the head.I remember when B-Hop beat Pascal at 46,to them that was because boxing is in a bad state.But everytime Pacman beats some shot old guy,it's:Ohhh my goodness did U see how Pacman dominated that huge guy that outweighted him by 16lbs,he's greater than Duran.They need to give teddy Attlas a go on sports center just to educated the foolish.

the bold is just str8 REAL TALK!!!!!

[Walt Liquor]

That's your idea. I think by finding legit challenges who could give a flying **** about testing, he's proving his point quite fine.

brilliant!

I guess you're too used to arguing with people that have no original thought....

some people come on here to pontificate and develop creative thought..

other come on here and stick with arguing the same point over and over refusing to consider others point of view.

[MindBat]

Not trying to flame it out in here, just have an adult discussion.

There's so mich to type, so im going to start with my main point.

1) manny had a psychological edge in the beginning because floyd looked scared by forcing ost. Regardless of what fools who cant comprehend the big picture think, this is how the move was percieved and perception is reality. It doesnt take a genius to spin that story.

2) rumors circulate that manny agreed to floyds Demands with a cut off date, but its all heresay because they never made azhuge deal about it or publicly said (manny himself) that they would do anything to get floyd in the ring. This began to make manny look weak imo.

3) he continues to look weak by fighting arum retreads who have no business being in ppv's with manny.

4) floyd swoops in and fights the best ww not named floyd or manny and takes on a young gun who's hungry and badass at 147 while manny fights a
dude floyd shut out that is alreAdy probably fighting one weight class to high at lw. So he's a minimum of 2 weght classes out of his league.

All that adds up to floyd outplaying manny and bob. Bob was content to just take advantage of manny's fans and his reputation while floyd was biding his time and waiting to pull a checkmate type move.

Who the *** is manny gonna fight if he and floyd win? Khan is trained by roach so floyd has him. I guess its gonna have to be bradley who looked as out of place at ww as hatton did to me when he moved up. We know neither floyd nor manny is going to even glance in sergio's direction, so there's no one at 154.

Walt, you see what's going on using logic and reasoning. As far as Floyd being "scared" psychologically of Manny, I say there's no way in hell Manny intimidates Floyd either in the past, the present, or the future. Floyd has faced opponents as competitive and as good as Manny, and dare I say even better based on Manny's choice of opponents since his move up to welter weight.

Floyd's willing to take a random test himself when he's NEVER tested positive for 'roids or any other PED. Manny refusing to test or delaying to be tested when other fighters would not give it a second thought, speaks volumes about the reasoning behind Pacquiao's delay tactics.

But it's not just Manny, it's his dad Bob who is allegedly holding on to grudges and is not conceding that perhaps random drug testing is the right thing to do when they've already discussed it and entertained the idea for so long.

Never have we heard or read about Team Pacquiao stating that OS random drug testing is out of the question for the fight. Not Once. But we have read about the numerous excuses Team Pac have developed to avoid the fight and /or testing altogether.

Oh, so NOW after all this time Manny "agrees to everything" ???

Did it have to take THAT long to say "Yeah, I agree to everything now."

They're not fooling those that can read between the lines. Only those who believe that Manny is unerring and faultless.

[Walt Liquor]

lol this is very rare...*****s vs neutral fans duking it out in a floyd/pac saga debate.

edited per harry balls, he's right

[Barry Halls]

they're not used to this.....all they can do is defend their dream man (and then say that they're not really that big of a fan while their actions clearly shout otherwise)

Come on now, keep it civil. It's been the first floyd/manny discussion in months that didn't make me want to rip my eyes out.

Not sure if that second remark was aimed at me, but feel free to browse my posting history. I've been quite negative towards both fighter.

[Walt Liquor]

Walt, you see what's going on using logic and reasoning. As far as Floyd being "scared" psychologically of Manny, I say there's no way in hell Manny intimidates Floyd either in the past, the present, or the future. Floyd has faced opponents as competitive and as good as Manny, and dare I say even better based on Manny's choice of opponents since his move up to welter weight.

Floyd's willing to take a random test himself when he's NEVER tested positive for 'roids or any other PED. Manny refusing to test or delaying to be tested when other fighters would not give it a second thought, speaks volumes about the reasoning behind Pacquiao's delay tactics.

But it's not just Manny, it's his dad Bob who is allegedly holding on to grudges and is not conceding that perhaps random drug testing is the right thing to do when they've already discussed it and entertained the idea for so long.

Never have we heard or read about Team Pacquiao stating that OS random drug testing is out of the question for the fight. Not Once. But we have read about the numerous excuses Team Pac have developed to avoid the fight and /or testing altogether.

Oh, so NOW after all this time Manny "agrees to everything" ???

Did it have to take THAT long to say "Yeah, I agree to everything now."

They're not fooling those that can read between the lines. Only those who believe that Manny is unerring and faultless.

well first off, we've never really received proof that manny's agreed to everything. its all heresay, until we hear him publicly admit to agreeing on OST then I don't believe anything.

logically things make sense, its when we add real world perspective that things get cloudy.....this is a public battle with a lot of ego and reputation at stake, which means that using logic regarding the first ost request doesn't necessarily make sense....and I still think that any reasonable person at a negotiation table would know that manny and freddie would shoot down ost.

if you dont think that all the cutoff date and needles and all that were just posturing, Idk what to tell you. that demand killed the first fight.

not saying that manny was right in declining it, but a blind vodoo lady fromthe bayou could see that would be a problem in negotiations....

but things are beginning to turn on manny, hence me making this thread, mark's posts in here, and a number of guys who used to be down with manny (like my boy mario).

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

Well GotDAMN!!!! I read every post in this thread, and I finally caught the **** up. There have been some great points made in this thread, too many to count actually. IMO Burner and Dazed and a couple others have been extremely spot on. Their views pretty much reflect my own.

BUT......................I didnt see anyone mention the additional blood testing that Manny wanted Shane to take, and once Shane said "Fine I'll take them, as long as Manny takes the same exact tests", Manny's camp recinded the contractual stipulation. It has been said that Floyd's request is unreasonable because it hasnt been done before. That is very wrong a couple of euro fighters have had said OST stipulations drawn up in previous bouts(So it HAS been done before). But lets look at the fact that Manny took a page out of Floyd's book in negotiations with Shane. Was that so that Manny could get out of the Shane fight????????? And why is it acceptable that Manny's demand for additional testing is ok but Floyd's is not. Lets put both fighters on an level playing field whilst discussing the previous power moves that both have made during negotiations.

To the average individual is given all the facts between the history of negotiations between these two fighters, I think they would be less inclined to side with ANY individual who refuses random testing for a $40million dollar payday. We got folks who work 9-5's that are subject to it for far less in take home pay.

Overall. BEAUTIFUL thread Bruhnlaw, the best one I've read in NSB in a VERY long time bruh.

[Walt Liquor]

Come on now, keep it civil. It's been the first floyd/manny discussion in months that didn't make me want to rip my eyes out.

Not sure if that second remark was aimed at me, but feel free to browse my posting history. I've been quite negative towards both fighter.

it wasn't for you....

i have also been negative towards both fighters, people know I've been negative towards floyd for a lot longer than manny though