Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

If Mayweather beats Ortiz, which he should do, then I say it puts him in the driving seat to win the PR battle if he does things right.

Floyd biggest problem is how he conducts himself and speaks, he is skittish and all over the place and needs some coaching on public talking because he easily offends and alienates by picking and choosing the wrong words and saying things at the wrong time.

If he can beat Ortiz and put on a charm offensive with the USA press and get them on his side, then Manny is in deep deep water regarding the honesty & integrity of his legacy because if he refuses to do OST when the mainstream press are all over him too, then i'm afraid however great he is (and I think he is an excellent fighter btw) his legacy will always be tainted.

Floyd will go down as the clean athlete of his generation that beat some good young champions. Manny will go down as possibly the greatest in his generation but with a great big question mark hanging all over his career even 50 years after he has died.......all because of a few blood tests.

What you got to hid Manny? I think a lot personally, but would love to be proved wrong.

No it won't and this is a leap in logic and nothing but speculation. The fight between Floyd and Ortiz has ZERO bearing on the perception of the Manny and Floyd fight.

Floyd has already alienated himself with his nonsensical talk and Manny is playing it smart by keeping quiet.

Bottom line is, Floyd will beat Ortiz and the pro Floyd fans will say it was a great win and a much better fighter than anyone Pac has recently fought.

Pro Manny fans will say Ortiz was "exposed" as a bum the way they did Berto and it wont change anything.

Floyd has already lost the PR battle and the more he talks, the more he digs a deeper hole. That is why he's so conveniently taken on the role of "bad guy" that he claims to love so much, yet when his emotions come out, he so desperately wants to be loved, most egomaniacs do.

Don't believe me? Look up Lebron James and Terrell Owens.

[Walt Liquor]

As soon as the floyd sergio fight was signed it would be Martinez is overated, floyd is only fighting him because he can beat him.

not true at all, this is a whiny post dunn. this is not a legit argument

[IMDAZED]

No it won't and this is a leap in logic and nothing but speculation. The fight between Floyd and Ortiz has ZERO bearing on the perception of the Manny and Floyd fight.

Floyd has already alienated himself with his nonsensical talk and Manny is playing it smart by keeping quiet.

Bottom line is, Floyd will beat Ortiz and the pro Floyd fans will say it was a great win and a much better fighter than anyone Pac has recently fought.

Pro Manny fans will say Ortiz was "exposed" as a bum the way they did Berto and it wont change anything.

Floyd has already lost the PR battle and the more he talks, the more he digs a deeper hole. That is why he's so conveniently taken on the role of "bad guy" that he claims to love so much, yet when his emotions come out, he so desperately wants to be loved, most egomaniacs do.

Don't believe me? Look up Lebron James and Terrell Owens.

Yeah Floyd has lost the PR battle but it's pretty obvious he wasn't as intent on winning it as the other guy. And by doing so, he's coming out looking cleaner and cleaner.

[loui_ludwig]

To the TS's topic, NO. Its just talk from Floyd.

[Walt Liquor]

EXACTLY. Now do you see why he asked Pac to be tested?

No Ceilings:

See my first post, you and dazed need to open your minds a little bit and think bigger picture.....

[BTL]

People are gonna start to approach manny and say just take the test.

[Horvo]

2008-2011

PBF- Marquez, Mosley

Pac- Marquez, Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley

[The Big Dunn]

not true at all, this is a whiny post dunn. this is not a legit argument

Perhaps but I offer as an example your boy Shane Mosley.

[IMDAZED]

See my first post, you and dazed need to open your minds a little bit and think bigger picture.....

Nah, I think maybe you're not catching what he's saying.

Regardless, Floyd asked for a test and Manny kicked the ball over the fence and ran home. Since then, he's taken nothing but ****ty fights. i just never endorsed that.

[Walt Liquor]

Walt there is a big difference between 144 and 147.

there is when your opponent is coming up from 135...how much did the 2-3 lbs over that jose luis castillo help him in the rematch vs corrales?