Floyd has turned the tables on Manny in their chessmatch

[Manny#1ATG]

Walt I'm not trying to take sides because I'm not a personal fan of either fighter but let me ask you a simple question.

Let's say me and you are 1 on 1 street basketball players, we are the best in Miami (I know it's a fantasy white guy and Mexican guy good at basketball)

We travel around Broward and Dade and we play for money. Everyone wants to see me and you play because we are the best of the best down here. Everytime we play, there are basic rules that we follow that don't change.

Then we finally agree on playing and then out of nowhere, I accuse you of being a cheater, I want to play with a different type of ball and in a completely different court that nobody has played before.

We are BOTH huge stars on the street so everyone says we should be 50/50 in everything, yet I am acting like I run the show and start to demand things that have never been demanded.

You have a choice, you can either meet my demands and play me or you can choose not play me saying that you don't have to be forced to agree to anything that has never been agreed to before.

See, I agree I would just like to see Manny take the test but another part of me understands why Roach and Manny are like "*** you Floyd, who the *** do you think you are that you think you can come and force us to do **** that nobody has ever done" I think it's a matter of pride and fighters and trainers have a lot of it.

The same could be said if the opponent wanted you to wear smaller shoes, play on a larger court, demands a 2 "point" handicap, wanted you to pay him money for every minute you might be late to the court...A nice analogy but just as easily applies to the other "player"

[Rolaz]

Floydie is simply bluffing, you see, he can't even show any evidences to confirm or back up his allegations against Pacman and Arum.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I wouldnt call fighting Margarito, Mosley and JMM biting back. Pacs level of competition has been on the decline since the Cotto fight. Hes leveled off just fighting stiffs, has beens, shot fighters, old guys etc.

The fact that I among many dont think Ortiz-May will be close has nothing to do with how "good" Ortiz is but how insane Floyds skills are. Regardless of the outcome this is the best WW fight that could hae been made outside of fighting Pac. There are many including myself who dont even think Pac-Floyd will be a close fight still doestmean Pac isnt his best option.

Sorry man you can't have it both ways. In retrospect it's easy to call Margarito, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley has beens, stiffs and shot fighters.

The funny thing is that when these fights where made they generated interest because of Manny's size and that's something people just so easily dismiss.

Manny has NO BUSINESS fighting these guys, yet he did and dominated them. So let's not get into who has fought the better competition as of late because neither guy has fought world beaters or fighters in their prime.

As far as Ortiz, wasn't it just 2 fights ago that Ortiz was a quitter, a fraud, a coward that would get destroyed by Berto? Now all of a sudden he's the best WW not named Manny or FLoyd?

Sorry man but you have to be consistent in your argument. I think BOTH manny and floyd are legendary fighters and neither is a coward, the problem is Floyd has come out of his ass with demands and the pride and ego fo Manny and Roach have said "*** that" to that bull****.

[Barry Halls]

what test r u talkin about. floyd is fighting ortiz... he is only talkin about the irrelevant pac n the test JUST to sell his fight.. wek up...

wow this is some butchered english right here. Str8 outta the streets of manilla.

will pac take the tests? because we know floyd won't drop this bull****.
right now their both ducking eachother

[MARKBNLV]

Walt I'm not trying to take sides because I'm not a personal fan of either fighter but let me ask you a simple question.

Let's say me and you are 1 on 1 street basketball players, we are the best in Miami (I know it's a fantasy white guy and Mexican guy good at basketball)

We travel around Broward and Dade and we play for money. Everyone wants to see me and you play because we are the best of the best down here. Everytime we play, there are basic rules that we follow that don't change.

Then we finally agree on playing and then out of nowhere, I accuse you of being a cheater, I want to play with a different type of ball and in a completely different court that nobody has played before.

We are BOTH huge stars on the street so everyone says we should be 50/50 in everything, yet I am acting like I run the show and start to demand things that have never been demanded.

You have a choice, you can either meet my demands and play me or you can choose not play me saying that you don't have to be forced to agree to anything that has never been agreed to before.

See, I agree I would just like to see Manny take the test but another part of me understands why Roach and Manny are like "*** you Floyd, who the *** do you think you are that you think you can come and force us to do **** that nobody has ever done" I think it's a matter of pride and fighters and trainers have a lot of it.

I get your point and respect it,i also get why Mayweather wants Olympic style tests in an era where guys like them make so muh money they can hire chemists to get past the current standard testing practices in boxing.

Honestly the excuses on both sides have gotten out of hand and my general want for this fight faded over a year ago,sure i would love to see it,but i no longer care if it takes place at one time i did.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Thats the problem with the analogy.

This wasnt something thrown out of nowhere. Team Pac knew Pac would have be tested. They even went as far as to accept the tests remember. Then they backtracked and now we are where we are.

I mean what about the insane weight penalties Pac put on Morales and Mayweather? Pac isnt clean in this situation. Floyd accepted Pacs request (something Floyd had never had to do ever) with a smile. Mind you there wasnt a 10 Mil weight penalty on Pac, just Floyd. With the OST's Floyd would also be taking the SAME tests.

You got Ortiz and Mosley getting tested with no problems at all. It makes Pac look like a cheat. At the end of the day if yo want to fight Floyd you have to take the tests period. Pac wont do it and it has nothing to do with Pride.

Listen, if you want to talk to me like a child and think you can weave your way in and out of this argument by not giving all the facts, then don't bother with me. I'm not a floyd fan and I'm not a pac fan, I don't have a dog in this fight.

Manny agreed to the normal testing, what he didn't agree with was the BLOOD testing, something that isn't done in pro boxing. There's a bit of a difference there don't you think?

So like I said, if you want to talk to children about this, I'm not the one. I'm not taking sides, I'm just making the point of where these two camps are coming from.

[Bushbaby]

IMO the testing was uncalled for.It did seem like a way to avoid the fight.Also,Floyd's last 2 fights have had the #'s firmly on there side.To those who pay attention.When Floyd battered Mosley,he was the champion & in the opinion of all,the true top dawg at welterweight.Now He's fighting Ortiz which is the best welterweight & titlist not named Pacman.

Pacman & his team have been content in beating clearly shot fighters,bad move,it's caught up to them with this simple move by Floyd.But unlike most,I don't think Ortiz is gonna be an easy night for Floyd.He's fast,young,strong & now he's got confidence.I remember when Walt got pissed at me roughly around the time I stopped supporting Pacman,right after Pacman-Margarito was signed.

Another thing I feel should be notted,espn are clearly on a Pacman high & that network has casual fan ****ed off in the head.I remember when B-Hop beat Pascal at 46,to them that was because boxing is in a bad state.But everytime Pacman beats some shot old guy,it's:Ohhh my goodness did U see how Pacman dominated that huge guy that outweighted him by 16lbs,he's greater than Duran.They need to give teddy Attlas a go on sports center just to educated the foolish.

[jltsmae]

I refuse to get in a childish flame war,if you want to discuss boxing like a grown man hit me up.

okay. why do you think floyd thrash talk pac when he is not fighting him? why is he not thrash talking ortiz just like the shane - floyd fight last year?

[Walt Liquor]

Manny generated 36 million dollars in his fights alone last year (most of any boxer by the way), that was 2 fights. That's not counting his clothing line and other ventures he has in the Philippines. His business is doing just fine.

Manny's passiveness is what has worked for him. While Floyd i barking and barking, Manny sites back, keeps busy and is more an more liked.

Also, are you really thinking Ortiz is a tough fight? Come on Walt, I thought you knew better. Ortiz is a warm up for what is to come, he is going to get out boxed very easily. If you think Maidana's right hand was landing.......

manny's been living on that goodwill he had built up from previous fights, im not sure that will continue forever. i just see some things turning, that quietness isn't going to work forever IMO.

I think that ortiz is a better opponent than JMM at 147, Shane, and Margs. EVERYONE and their mom has been clamoring for these guys to fight a young hungry legit fighter...ortiz is that. I know floyd's gonna win, but I'd rather see that fight than any of both guys last 3 fights easy.

[check hook]

Not trying to flame it out in here, just have an adult discussion.

There's so mich to type, so im going to start with my main point.

1) manny had a psychological edge in the beginning because floyd looked scared by forcing ost. Regardless of what fools who cant comprehend the big picture think, this is how the move was percieved and perception is reality. It doesnt take a genius to spin that story.

2) rumors circulate that manny agreed to floyds Demands with a cut off date, but its all heresay because they never made azhuge deal about it or publicly said (manny himself) that they would do anything to get floyd in the ring. This began to make manny look weak imo.

3) he continues to look weak by fighting arum retreads who have no business being in ppv's with manny.

4) floyd swoops in and fights the best ww not named floyd or manny and takes on a young gun who's hungry and badass at 147 while manny fights a
dude floyd shut out that is alreAdy probably fighting one weight class to high at lw. So he's a minimum of 2 weght classes out of his league.

All that adds up to floyd outplaying manny and bob. Bob was content to just take advantage of manny's fans and his reputation while floyd was biding his time and waiting to pull a checkmate type move.

Who the *** is manny gonna fight if he and floyd win? Khan is trained by roach so floyd has him. I guess its gonna have to be bradley who looked as out of place at ww as hatton did to me when he moved up. We know neither floyd nor manny is going to even glance in sergio's direction, so there's no one at 154.

Don't be fooled. Manny has the Cotto rematch if he beats Margarito at 154.