Wladmir fears James Toney

[urdaddyinAZ]

Kind of like how Gatti was going to destroy Floyd?

If you were gonna bring up old dirt, at least mention it correctly. I bet and rooted for Gatti because I like him and gave him a punchers chance, but at no time did I ever say Gatti would "destroy" Floyd. I actually said that Floyd would lose only if Gatti ever hit him with a clean hard shot, which obviously never happened (to Floyds credit). I haven't said anyone would destroy anyone since I said Lennox would destroy Tyson. Vitali would destroy Toney, if it happens I will put my bankroll on it, plus I will leave BS for good.


BTW, did we bet on the Gatti/Mayweather fight? If so

[GranTorino]

If you have an attribute as a fighter that is a detraction rather than a benefit. I think you need to classify that attribute then as poor. It is very simple logic. And like I said HE DOES NOT HAVE THE WORST CHIN IN THE WORLD. ok. It just is not good, it is not beneficial, it is a detraction, it is poor.

Im glad to hear you bring logic into this. Thank god. So lets look at this logically.

1) Samuel Peter is at the very least one of the hardest punching heavywieghts today. If not THE hardest punching. This is the consensus of pretty much the entire boxing community. It is undisputed.

2)Peter has ko'd almost every single individual that has stepped into the ring before him.

3)He hit Wlad with his best shot and Wlad shook it off.

How then, can it be said that Wlad has a bad chin, if the hardest puncher in the division couldn't knock him out?

[Chet]

If you would like to think Wlad's chin is a benefit to him rather than a detraction you are of course welcome to that. Everybody cannot have the same opinion I guess.

[Kid Achilles]

Wlad's chin is decent. His balance needs a lot of work and he needs more leg strength. He is too damn topheavy so when he is stunned, like most fighters are bound to be many times in their career, instead of instantly composing himself he staggers around trying to catch his balance.

I'm not saying his chin is granite, but the poor balance exaggerates the effect of every punch he takes. It is not a good thing, as it gets him in a lot of trouble, but I have yet to see him in a situation like Lennox Lewis where he is KTFO by a single punch and is totally useless after that. Wlad can clear his head and defend himself after being staggered or knocked down.

[!!Captain]

If you would like to think Wlad's chin is a benefit to him rather than a detraction you are of course welcome to that. Everybody cannot have the same opinion I guess.

Repeating the same **** over and over does not win the argument. How about putting some logic there instead of just repeating the same thing 20 times?

[Chet]

Wlad's chin is decent. His balance needs a lot of work and he needs more leg strength. He is too damn topheavy so when he is stunned, like most fighters are bound to be many times in their career, instead of instantly composing himself he staggers around trying to catch his balance.

I'm not saying his chin is granite, but the poor balance exaggerates the effect of every punch he takes. It is not a good thing, as it gets him in a lot of trouble, but I have yet to see him in a situation like Lennox Lewis where he is KTFO by a single punch and is totally useless after that. Wlad can clear his head and defend himself after being staggered or knocked down.

That is a good point about his balance . And its true. He never has been totally knocked cold. He recovers fairly quick and well from knockdowns. I still classify his chin as poor though because it is a detraction from him as a fighter rather than a benefit in my opinion. But maybe its on the better end of poor.

[!!Captain]

Wladmir 'chandelier jaw' ****ko
dont want none of james toney.
he avoids toney like the plague-
he wont even dare mention Toneys
name. I dare Chandeleir man to call
out toney i dare him.

Dude, first you were raving about Tyson. After Tyson lost his last fight, you started posting about "Tyson Reborn" Peter. After Peter lost, you found a new idol - Toney. How about finding one role model and stick with him/her?

[GranTorino]

If you would like to think Wlad's chin is a benefit to him rather than a detraction you are of course welcome to that. Everybody cannot have the same opinion I guess.

I dont understand this, Chet. I have given you PROOF that Wlad has a good chin. How do you come to conclude otherwise? So far you are only giving an opinion, but one without and merit. Help me out here.

[GranTorino]

Repeating the same **** over and over does not win the argument. How about putting some logic there instead of just repeating the same thing 20 times?

Thank you!

[GranTorino]

That is a good point about his balance . And its true. He never has been totally knocked cold. He recovers fairly quick and well from knockdowns. I still classify his chin as poor though because it is a detraction from him as a fighter rather than a benefit in my opinion. But maybe its on the better end of poor.

OMFG! It's like Im talking to a tree stump! Let me ask very clearly...

Why.... do.....you.....say......Wlad's......chin......is.. ...a.....detraction?