Comments Thread For: Mayweather Wants Legit Loss, Not Tainted With Steroids

[littlemac]

Where's your proof of this? Pac will see you in court, hope you're ready.

I don't think he needs to worry unless the poster would be a risk to Manny in the ring.

[| THE KING |]

It certainly may go. But we'll never find out until Manny agree fully, not halfway through.

I'm sure you saw the vid bud. Manny said he'd take it .. no more BS. Now it's time for Floyd to call his bluff. Maybe after this fight with Ortiz..southpaw.

[Vegan101]

Its because you are not a real fan that you think its a "hunch". In boxing, there are a few things that one can be certain of. Going up in weight and losing speed and power are two of them.

Pacquiao was no phenom before he came to America and met Freddie Roach, who has a sorted past of training boxing like James Toney who was caught using steroids under his guidance. Pacquiao was a pretty good boxer under Roach, but once he fought Barrera, all of a sudden he began knocking out bigger guys who are known for power.

Some said Roach taught him something "new" to help him accomplish that. That's laughable. And what's more is that once the time table for one of Pacquiao's fights got messed up and Pac had to donate blood in the middle of training, THAT happened to be the fight he lost. In the rematch, where no extra blood needed to be donated without notice, Pacquiao blew passed Morales.

Pacquiao, unlike nearly EVERY OTHER GREAT in history who has moved up in weight, has gotten stronger, more powerful and faster. That requires a "hunch"? That kind of accusation is baseless when Pacquiao is defying the science of boxing which has existed for over 100 years?

And what's worse, is that *******s who constantly claim that Pacquiao is "too small" for WW or jr MW despite him being 2" shorter than Mayweather and Mosley, don't see anything wrong or su****ious about the "too small" idol's increase in power and speed after coming up to 147.

Mayweather was KO'ing guys when he was at smaller weights. Mosley was as well as his best weight ever was lightweight. As they moved up, their KO rate naturally dropped because the extra weight slowed them down and therefore diminished their power. Mosley had to use PEDs when moving up because he knew that the move in weight had sacrificed his power, and he's a power boxer.

So when you begin saying ****** ****t like "there's no evidence", keep in mind that Mosley was NEVER caught because there was no evidence. Mosley passed all of his tests. Mosley would have gotten away with it had his name not been on a list.

So when you say that there is no evidence, you mean that there has been no proof under the weak testing standards of state athletic commissions, and THAT'S exactly why the USADA tests were such a big issue for the Pacquiao camp for the last 2 years. Who refuses drug tests unless they are guilty? Holyfield took them when Tyson asked him to because his body completely changed since coming up from cruiserweight. Evander didn't whine like a little stuttering bittch and start singing "Sometimes when we touch" when the question of random blood tests came up.

And now *******s are going around saying that Manny agreed to random USADA tests up until the day because of some YouTube clip. If Manny is willing to test, SIGN THE FCUKING CONTRACT!!! Manny is NOT his own man. He can't sign the contract unless Daddy Arum gives him permission. The offer has been out there for 2 years ... and the message has been clear:

"TAKE THE TESTS AND WE HAVE A FIGHT. DON'T TAKE THE TESTS AND THERE IS NO FIGHT."

Who the fcuk has been holding up the fight? It took Manny Pacquiao 2 years to mumble something under his breath in a YouTube clip that is being construed as consent to random blood tests? *******s are that special kind of ****** that allows them to continue to hoop and holler.

Mayweather has every right to suspect a guy who has been knocked out by C & D fighters and outboxed by a Morales, who is himself a B-/C+ fighter, and then moves up to impose his will on bigger, stronger and more powerful boxers. If every other boxer was immediately willing to take the USADA random tests, why was it ONLY Pacquiao that kept trying to push for a cutoff, change the types of tests administered, and fought the randomness of the tests? And Pacquiao fought it consistently for 2 fcuking years!

Pac is wack. He's Roach's last hurrah before Roach can't even train anymore. Roach probably feels as though he doesn't give a fcuk anymore because he knows that its the end for him. So let Pac do whatever he needs to do to be hailed as Roach's last special protege.

Problem is .. even without the the PEDs allegations, Pacquiao has used 5 vacant belts to make his case as a multi division champion. He's been knocked out by club fighters. And Pacquiao has stipulated catchweights in a division he COULD MAKE THE WEIGHT, meaning he used the catchweights to weaken his competition. Then if that wasn't disgraceful enough, Pacquiao had Arum grease palms to get his stablemate Margarito, who was banned in all 50 states at the time when they fought, to fight for yet another vacant belt instead of fighting the man who actually won it: Sergio Martinez.

PED's are Pacquiao's last worry. The funny thing is that people will be watching how well Pacquiao does against Marquez. Marquez clearly has Pac's number skill-wise. So if Pacquiao blows passed Marquez, people will know that something is amiss. Pacquiao has NOT improved skill-wise. If anything he's gotten worse as he relies heavily on KO power these days. If he goes in and just flattens Marquez despite Marquez being the superior boxer, lots of questions will be answered and even more rumors will start.

^^^^^^ bullcrap

Let me summarize the whole thing to you in three simple words.

Gayweather is SCARED!

Thank you

[| THE KING |]

^^^^^^ bullcrap

Let me summarize the whole thing to you in three simple words.

Gayweather is SCARED!

Thank you

damn.

[Check_hooks]

Mayweather already lost 6 fights in the amatuers and lost in the olympics.

Hes already lost the defamation case against Pac.

Hes been convicted of assault.

Losing ain't nothing new to him.

[tatangb45]

Neither has Mosley lol........

LOL....am still waiting for someone to responds to me why anyone would be against a fighter wanting to insure a fair fight for him and his opponents so that win or lose there will be no excuses.

How would this be bad for the fighters and for the sport?

Floyd's test will not insure a fair fight. It will just give him a chance to cheat and have another big advantage.
See post #175.

[tomhawq]

Its because you are not a real fan that you think its a "hunch". In boxing, there are a few things that one can be certain of. Going up in weight and losing speed and power are two of them.

Pacquiao was no phenom before he came to America and met Freddie Roach, who has a sorted past of training boxing like James Toney who was caught using steroids under his guidance. Pacquiao was a pretty good boxer under Roach, but once he fought Barrera, all of a sudden he began knocking out bigger guys who are known for power.

Some said Roach taught him something "new" to help him accomplish that. That's laughable. And what's more is that once the time table for one of Pacquiao's fights got messed up and Pac had to donate blood in the middle of training, THAT happened to be the fight he lost. In the rematch, where no extra blood needed to be donated without notice, Pacquiao blew passed Morales.

Pacquiao, unlike nearly EVERY OTHER GREAT in history who has moved up in weight, has gotten stronger, more powerful and faster. That requires a "hunch"? That kind of accusation is baseless when Pacquiao is defying the science of boxing which has existed for over 100 years?

And what's worse, is that *******s who constantly claim that Pacquiao is "too small" for WW or jr MW despite him being 2" shorter than Mayweather and Mosley, don't see anything wrong or su****ious about the "too small" idol's increase in power and speed after coming up to 147.

Mayweather was KO'ing guys when he was at smaller weights. Mosley was as well as his best weight ever was lightweight. As they moved up, their KO rate naturally dropped because the extra weight slowed them down and therefore diminished their power. Mosley had to use PEDs when moving up because he knew that the move in weight had sacrificed his power, and he's a power boxer.

So when you begin saying ****** ****t like "there's no evidence", keep in mind that Mosley was NEVER caught because there was no evidence. Mosley passed all of his tests. Mosley would have gotten away with it had his name not been on a list.

So when you say that there is no evidence, you mean that there has been no proof under the weak testing standards of state athletic commissions, and THAT'S exactly why the USADA tests were such a big issue for the Pacquiao camp for the last 2 years. Who refuses drug tests unless they are guilty? Holyfield took them when Tyson asked him to because his body completely changed since coming up from cruiserweight. Evander didn't whine like a little stuttering bittch and start singing "Sometimes when we touch" when the question of random blood tests came up.

And now *******s are going around saying that Manny agreed to random USADA tests up until the day because of some YouTube clip. If Manny is willing to test, SIGN THE FCUKING CONTRACT!!! Manny is NOT his own man. He can't sign the contract unless Daddy Arum gives him permission. The offer has been out there for 2 years ... and the message has been clear:

"TAKE THE TESTS AND WE HAVE A FIGHT. DON'T TAKE THE TESTS AND THERE IS NO FIGHT."

Who the fcuk has been holding up the fight? It took Manny Pacquiao 2 years to mumble something under his breath in a YouTube clip that is being construed as consent to random blood tests? *******s are that special kind of ****** that allows them to continue to hoop and holler.

Mayweather has every right to suspect a guy who has been knocked out by C & D fighters and outboxed by a Morales, who is himself a B-/C+ fighter, and then moves up to impose his will on bigger, stronger and more powerful boxers. If every other boxer was immediately willing to take the USADA random tests, why was it ONLY Pacquiao that kept trying to push for a cutoff, change the types of tests administered, and fought the randomness of the tests? And Pacquiao fought it consistently for 2 fcuking years!

Pac is wack. He's Roach's last hurrah before Roach can't even train anymore. Roach probably feels as though he doesn't give a fcuk anymore because he knows that its the end for him. So let Pac do whatever he needs to do to be hailed as Roach's last special protege.

Problem is .. even without the the PEDs allegations, Pacquiao has used 5 vacant belts to make his case as a multi division champion. He's been knocked out by club fighters. And Pacquiao has stipulated catchweights in a division he COULD MAKE THE WEIGHT, meaning he used the catchweights to weaken his competition. Then if that wasn't disgraceful enough, Pacquiao had Arum grease palms to get his stablemate Margarito, who was banned in all 50 states at the time when they fought, to fight for yet another vacant belt instead of fighting the man who actually won it: Sergio Martinez.

PED's are Pacquiao's last worry. The funny thing is that people will be watching how well Pacquiao does against Marquez. Marquez clearly has Pac's number skill-wise. So if Pacquiao blows passed Marquez, people will know that something is amiss. Pacquiao has NOT improved skill-wise. If anything he's gotten worse as he relies heavily on KO power these days. If he goes in and just flattens Marquez despite Marquez being the superior boxer, lots of questions will be answered and even more rumors will start.

look at this idiot. he starts by saying pac is too good to be real, therefore he should be tested. then he ends up demolishing his own argument by saying pac is really not that good. he fought nothing but cherrypicked opponents.

btw, pac is on video saying he is agreeing to the tests. (and i'll repeat this over and over again to keep these idiots on track.)

how can you take these idiots seriously? they can't even make up their minds. they cover every base of the arguments.

man, how many clowns do we have here?

[Carpe Diem]

I'm sure you saw the vid bud. Manny said he'd take it .. no more BS. Now it's time for Floyd to call his bluff. Maybe after this fight with Ortiz..southpaw.

As i said, saying and doing are two different things. He need to confirmed that same statement by publicly addressing it the same way as he did to the Philippines media reporters. He can confirm it whenever few US reporters ask him about the Floyd fight from now on, but we all know he'll play along with his "Talk to my promoter" card.

That video isn't recent, and he could've had addressed that same statement at his fight press conference against Shane Mosley months later after that video, but he didn't. Mosley and Ortiz has called Floyd's bluff, and they signed the contract to proved that they were willing to.

[Gratide]

Floyd should take it to to comission , oh i forgot he doesn't pay his fees ??????????????

[tangalog2200]

Whether u admit it or not Manny's legacy will always be shrouded with doubt. I never thought he was on drugs until he refused to take a simple test. I know you're going to talk that pride he don't need to budge crap but fact is it's a simple test and by refusing some people will look at him funny. Good thing for Pac he will always have u as a fan

now, what you post is a clear indication of the bad image pac got just so the pbf camp accused him of ped use.......same accusation they could not submit proof to the court's demand for deposition......and yet it goes on and on........

so now you see what a baseless accusation could do to a man's reputation?

and worst, people expects the aggrieved party to prove himself??? o man, the burden of proof is on the accuser.......or are you now espousing a new and radical dictum????