No Way Sturm Vs Macklin Was A Roberry!

[Steak]

He wasn't even landing cleanly on the side of Sturm's head. The punches that ended up in that area usually arrived by way of deflection. Partial-connections, which may or may not be picked up by the highly fallible CompuBox counter, are not of equal value to cleanly landed punches.

"At times"? You mean like two or three times in the whole fight?

That's just the nature of the high-guard. You absorb the impact instead of avoiding it altogether, which inevitably causes some damage; but less so than a clean punch.

I accept that there were some subjective rounds in there, but I can and did give him more than six rounds. I think all of this robbery crying is a blatant case of confirmation bias due to the fight's location.

you are blind if you dont see the number of times Macklin's glove came into contact with Sturms face or side of the head. I dont get how people are so terrible at scoring. Just watch the fight, you SEE Sturms head get moved by the shots....

hell you even visually see the damage that is occuring, look at Sturms left side and his busted up and cut face. or his exhaustion and physical reactions to the punches. pay attention.

and lol at the idea that a blocked punch can be deflected onto someones head. If youve ever actually boxed before, you should know better.

[IronDanHamza]

Macklin did miss alot to be honest.

After round 6 his punches weren't really doing any damage when they did land.

Macklins won the first part of the fight but after that there were alot fo close rounds and it's not suprise they went to Sturm.

The Championship rounds other than Round 9 were Sturms rounds also.

Macklin outworked him at times but Sturm clearly landed the cleaner and more effective punches throughout the second half of the fight.

I think it was close, could have gone either way. But Sturm won in his home country and I'm not too suprised either.

[mani1]

Sturm did a great job of neutralising that dangerous-looking body assault. He made some very subtle adjustments to his positioning and began to anticipate and ride the blows, and Macklin lost the fight from that point onwards. It was pretty masterful, imo.

Sturm's only real fault was his over-cautiousness. I reckon he could have put a full-stop on the fight if he were a bit more ambitious.

I had Sturm winning by 2.

[Spit Venom]

sorry, you can argue with this famous line "if someone has it 7-5 for Mack, you can easily score it 7-5 for Sturm (local fighter and promoter), because there were lotta close rounds", but in reality Macklin won 7 rounds and to give Sturm all these fantasy close rounds to justify that he won the fight is absurd.

the SD is on a roll, here some recent fights:

Huck-Lebedev
Sylvester-Karmazin
Sturm-Macklin

all got jobbed by way of SD. (of course there are other ways how you can trick the folk with clever scoring. There is an easy way to not get fooled, watch the fight)

[S.G.]

you are blind if you dont see the number of times Macklin's glove came into contact with Sturms face or side of the head. I dont get how people are so terrible at scoring. Just watch the fight, you SEE Sturms head get moved by the shots....

hell you even visually see the damage that is occuring, look at Sturms left side and his busted up and cut face. or his exhaustion and physical reactions to the punches. pay attention.

and lol at the idea that a blocked punch can be deflected onto someones head. If youve ever actually boxed before, you should know better.

It is basic physics, mate. The guard absorbs a large portion of the kinetic energy of the punch, but not all of it. You have a diminished # of newtons actually impacting on the area it was aimed at (the head), which makes it less valuable than a punch that lands clean, and it should be scored as such. Not to mention the simple aesthetic difference between a cleanly landed blow and a stifled one. This is one of the principal differences between amateur scoring and professional scoring. Factors like this are meant to be plainly observable and accounted for naturally, but I guess that's giving people too much credit.

& I'm not claiming Sturm trounced him, but he was a just winner.

[Steak]

It is basic physics, mate. The guard absorbs a large portion of the kinetic energy of the punch, but not all of it. You have a diminished # of newtons actually impacting on the area it was aimed at (the head), which makes it less valuable than a punch that lands clean, and it should be scored as such. Not to mention the simple aesthetic difference between a cleanly landed blow and a stifled one. This is one of the principal differences between amateur scoring and professional scoring. Factors like this are meant to be plainly observable and accounted for naturally, but I guess that's giving people too much credit.

& I'm not claiming Sturm trounced him, but he was a just winner.

obviously the guard deflects some of the damage, but in reality that doesnt mean the punch doesnt hurt or do damage. its pretty clear youve never boxed before, otherwise youd know that.

not to mention Macklin's body weight was behind a lot of those clubbing shots, and if theyre strong enough to push through the side of the guard(which incidently was situated in front of Sturm's face, a truly clean block would have had completely different hand positioning to block those kind of shots) then theyre still strong enough to do plenty of damage.

Scoring flush punches is certainly nice, but Sturm flat out didnt do it often enough. When he did do it, which he did in some rounds, I gave him the round. but more often than not his punches werent even perfectly clean either, and even then he didnt land enough of them. Damage is the name of the game, and an accumulation of blows very often is more effective than one flashy looking punch, particularly one that didnt have full weight behind it, which often was the case with Sturm's shots.

claiming that this was a case of a guy only winning on volume is ludicrous. Mackin did more damage with his multitude of punches. look at the visual damage on Sturms left side and face, and his physical reactions when hit with punches. look at how exhausted he got even with a low workrate, due to Macklin's attack on his body.

not all blocks are equal. a true clean block is supposed to diffuse the punch completely, and deflect the punch at the point of impact. Sturm's blocking very often didnt do that, and the punch would just graze his guard and still land.

[IronDanHamza]

We also need to consider Jim Watt scored the fight a draw and he was veryyyyyyyyyy pro-Macklin.

Just throwing that out there.

[BoZz]

sturm smashed him and NATAS get off the drugs son.

[Steak]

We also need to consider Jim Watt scored the fight a draw and he was veryyyyyyyyyy pro-Macklin.

Just throwing that out there.

that should have 0 impact on your personal scoring.

and if you wanted to play that game then you could simply bring up the Germans that scored the fight for Macklin.

[IronDanHamza]

that should have 0 impact on your personal scoring.

and if you wanted to play that game then you could simply bring up the Germans that scored the fight for Macklin.

It did have 0 impact on my scoring.....

I'm not saying it means anything toward who won.

What it does indicate, though, is that the fight was close.

Your example also indicates that aswell.

It was a close fight. Sturm won, could have gone either way.

Were it in the UK, Macklin would have won. As it was in Germany, Sturm won.

Wouldn't be suprised if either of them won.