Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez's Adviser Fires Back at Pirog's Promoter

[jrosales13]

Jro, you ask a good question. But are you really asking a question or are you trying to say something with that question? In other words, a rhetorical question.


What do you think, insults aside, do you think Martinez is scared of Pirog, and if not, then why do you think he does not want to fight him?

Serious question.

Seriously, honestly, insults aside. I'm asking a serious question.

I'm a huge Martinez. Been one since Oscar asked the WBC to take him off his mandatory back in 06.

And, the WBC did it, matter of fact the WBC has been screwing Martinez for years now.

And, I don't want to say that Martinez is scared. I don't think he's scared to fight anybody. I don't think any fighter that gets on this level are scared of anybody.

I don't look at ducking as being scared either(not saying Martinez is ducking) I think ducking in general has more to do with not wanting to take risks, the risk outweighing the reward than more so of being scared. You don't get to this level by being afraid of people.

And, I don't want to say he's ducking Pirog because I think he will beat Pirog. But, to play devils advocate just because you're better doesn't mean you don't duck lesser opponents. Again is the risk vs reward play.

But, for the life of me I can't see why Martinez, Dibella, his whole team is so against a fight with Pirog. If Pirog only has 18 fights, only win is against Jacobs then why not have him as the easy fight? As the tune up? As a stay busy? And, unify the titles in the process?

I get it why pass up Pirog for bigger names, bigger money fights. I get that. I think Pirog is better than Chavez Jr. I will give Martinez more credit for beating Pirog than I wold for him beating Chavez Jr. However, I understand why he would want to fight Chavez Jr over Pirog. Is more money, so I get that.

But, when you're willing to fight guys like Zbik, Manfredo, Barker FFS's over guys like Pirog. Then that baffles me.

Unless they feel that neither Zbik, or Manfredo, or Barker risks outweigh the reward. Yet they think Pirog risk outweighs the reward. And, if that's the case. Ain't that the same doing the big money fighters are doing with Martinez?

Honestly I don't so against Pirog. I wish as somebody could give me a legit answer. Instead of bringing up the guys he has fought. Because, that has nothing to do with the situation that's happening now.

[Sugar Q]

You guys have to be kidding right? So Martinez beats 2 highly touted fighters he's not suppose to beat and now you guys insinuate that he's ducking a sucker @ 54. So he beats the other guys and is calling out PBF and Pac but you think he's afraid of Pirog? And after Sergio destroys Pirogs career you will be calling for him to go up to Lt-heavy cause of course you wont be satisfied. You will say Pirog was green and fought Sergio too early. The moral of the story is: "Haters Gon Always Hate"

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Why are posters acting like girls lately? Stop being so defensive, my goodness.

They tend to have pictures of Floyd Mayweather in their avys. Most sensitive bunch of fans ever.

[-Kev-]

Seriously, honestly, insults aside. I'm asking a serious question.

I'm a huge Martinez. Been one since Oscar asked the WBC to take him off his mandatory back in 06.

And, the WBC did it, matter of fact the WBC has been screwing Martinez for years now.

And, I don't want to say that Martinez is scared. I don't think he's scared to fight anybody. I don't think any fighter that gets on this level are scared of anybody.

I don't look at ducking as being scared either(not saying Martinez is ducking) I think ducking in general has more to do with not wanting to take risks, the risk outweighing the reward than more so of being scared. You don't get to this level by being afraid of people.

And, I don't want to say he's ducking Pirog because I think he will beat Pirog. But, to play devils advocate just because you're better doesn't mean you don't duck lesser opponents. Again is the risk vs reward play.

But, for the life of me I can't see why Martinez, Dibella, his whole team is so against a fight with Pirog. If Pirog only has 18 fights, only win is against Jacobs then why not have him as the easy fight? As the tune up? As a stay busy? And, unify the titles in the process?

I get it why pass up Pirog for bigger names, bigger money fights. I get that. I think Pirog is better than Chavez Jr. I will give Martinez more credit for beating Pirog than I wold for him beating Chavez Jr. However, I understand why he would want to fight Chavez Jr over Pirog. Is more money, so I get that.

But, when you're willing to fight guys like Zbik, Manfredo, Barker FFS's over guys like Pirog. Then that baffles me.

Unless they feel that neither Zbik, or Manfredo, or Barker risks outweigh the reward. Yet they think Pirog risk outweighs the reward. And, if that's the case. Ain't that the same doing the big money fighters are doing with Martinez?

Honestly I don't so against Pirog. I wish as somebody could give me a legit answer. Instead of bringing up the guys he has fought. Because, that has nothing to do with the situation that's happening now.

I see.

You're right though, about taking Pirog as the stay busy fight and unifying.

I will have to go with the fight just being a low reward fight. Who knows, maybe Dibella is offering him more money for the other guys. I am pretty sure if Dmitri Pirog was the biggest money fight from 154-160 that is available to Martinez, that Martinez would take it. Maybe HBO is not offering Martinez more for Pirog than any one else? I think it's all about money, rather than both money and risk.

[-Kev-]

They tend to have pictures of Floyd Mayweather in their avys. Most sensitive bunch of fans ever.

Oooohhhhh, shots fired.

I want to read their response, can't wait. Gonna take that, posters with Floyd on your avatars?

[The Smash]

[IMG]http://fusible.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chicken-****.jpg[/IMG]

I seemingly can't post the picture but the point is Sergio Martinez is one big piece of chicken shit.

[jrosales13]

You guys have to be kidding right? So Martinez beats 2 highly touted fighters he's not suppose to beat and now you guys insinuate that he's ducking a sucker @ 54. So he beats the other guys and is calling out PBF and Pac but you think he's afraid of Pirog? And after Sergio destroys Pirogs career you will be calling for him to go up to Lt-heavy cause of course you wont be satisfied. You will say Pirog was green and fought Sergio too early. The moral of the story is: "Haters Gon Always Hate"

You trying to defend Martinez. But, actually made a case that he's ducking Pirog.

I never considered Martinez fight P-Will or Pavlik fights that he wasn't suppose to win. I actually was very confident in Martinez beating Pavlik and I thought Martinez-P-Will was 50/50.

But, lets say you're right and those were fights that he wasn't suppose to win. Would you say the risk outweighed the reward then? I mean if he wasn't suppose to win then he had nothing to lose right? So he was actually betting with house money. If he lost, OK so what? If he won then he did something incredible. The reward was high but there really wasn't any risk in the way you put it. Do you get what I'm saying?

Same thing with Floyd and Pac. He will get a career high payday with either guy. The reward is high, and if he beats either guy he will be even bigger. So the reward would outweigh the risk.

But, with Pirog is a fight that he suppose to win right? He has everything to lose and really nothing to gain no? So that probably makes Pirog a little to risky. And, perhaps the risk outweighs the reward on this one?

I don't know man.

Yea pirog has little bit of fights. But, he's not really green. He's more ready at the top stage than somebody like Barker is. And, if he's willing to fight Barker why isn't he as eager to fight Pirog? Again is the reward vs risk thing?

I don't know. I'm really baffled by this Barker move and constant ignoring of Pirog.

[Ray*]

I was hoping Martinez would have book in to fight Pirog next to be honest, Since none of the big names seem to want to fight him he should fight Pirog, If he beats Barker next like i expect him to and Pirog can win his next fight they can have it on next.

[Sugar Q]

You trying to defend Martinez. But, actually made a case that he's ducking Pirog.

I never considered Martinez fight P-Will or Pavlik fights that he wasn't suppose to win. I actually was very confident in Martinez beating Pavlik and I thought Martinez-P-Will was 50/50.

But, lets say you're right and those were fights that he wasn't suppose to win. Would you say the risk outweighed the reward then? I mean if he wasn't suppose to win then he had nothing to lose right? So he was actually betting with house money. If he lost, OK so what? If he won then he did something incredible. The reward was high but there really wasn't any risk in the way you put it. Do you get what I'm saying?

Same thing with Floyd and Pac. He will get a career high payday with either guy. The reward is high, and if he beats either guy he will be even bigger. So the reward would outweigh the risk.

But, with Pirog is a fight that he suppose to win right? He has everything to lose and really nothing to gain no? So that probably makes Pirog a little to risky. And, perhaps the risk outweighs the reward on this one?

I don't know man.

Yea pirog has little bit of fights. But, he's not really green. He's more ready at the top stage than somebody like Barker is. And, if he's willing to fight Barker why isn't he as eager to fight Pirog? Again is the reward vs risk thing?

I don't know. I'm really baffled by this Barker move and constant ignoring of Pirog.

I'll say you cant find me a person outside of Sergio's camp that believed he had a chance against Pavlik at that time. It's always easy to pop **** after the fact but NO ONE picked Sergio to beat Pavlik. Sergio took that chance to get on the map. I know for a fact that he would easily defeat Pirog. I think he beats Bute also but I believe his natural fighting weight is around 155-157 so why go up when he can still make 154. Beating a dude on the come up does not put you in the mainstream. Sergio wants and deserves to make money just like anyone else. All Pirog has to do is beat a few more guys that are better than Danny Jacobs and I'm sure he will get the big fight but let's be real Danny was on the come up not at the top.

[UglyPug]

danny jacobs > pavlik and williams. bet jacobs don't whip both their asses if he fought them.