Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather's Return Rekindles Years-Long Firefight

[hitking]

Lets go by your logic.. At least Cotto, Marg, Clottey are only losing against each other.. At least Pac was coming in as an underdog against Morales in their second fight, not to mention Morales was still in the P4P list..

Floyd on the other hand are fighting guys like Corley, Mitchell, and Brussells who are not only average fighters at best but also coming of a loss or a bad performance...

I gave Floyd full credit for the Mosley fight. I cant question you that. I even gave him credit for his fights at LW and SFW.

So having said that Floyd's WW and LWW exploit are made up of tune-up fights against average fighter coming of a loss, and these fighters:

Hatton - fought a shot Castillo.. The only fight he had at WW before he fought Floyd was against Callazo, and arguably loss that fight.. So really WW is not his best weight

Gatti- Gatti is way past his prime when Floyd fought him. That was strictly a money fight

Oscar - Oscar was coming of a long retirement, and a loss against Hopkins. Not to mention before that he arguably lose to Sturm

Judah - was a mental midget.. He lose his fight against a journeyman in Baldomir

Baldomir - is nothing more than journeyman who actually expose Judah..

JMM - was P4P# 2 when he fought him. Unfortunately P4P does not equate to actual weight.. JMM's impressive win came at LW, too bad that Floyd fought him at WW..

Mayweather and Hatton started fighting professionally at roughly the same time. And while Hatton was a career 140 lber, Mayweather started at 130. So actually Mayweather was a lot further from his starting weight fighting at welter than Hatton. And unless Mayweather hit puberty when he was 30, he and Hatton aren't that far apart in size.

You're right, Gatti was a money fight. But at the time, he was also The Ring magazine's #1 contender to the 140 title that was held by Tsyzu and soon taken by Hatton, who you also criticize Mayweather for fighting.

DLH was on the downside of his career. But, not only was he the biggest cashcow in boxing, but he was arguably the top guy at 154, where Mayweather fought him. Nothing wrong with Money taking that fight.

I personally wish Mayweather wouldn't have taken the Judah fight. But, he did clean it up in my mind when he fought Baldomir, who you also criticize him for fighting, for the universally recognized welterweight title.

As for JMM, boxing history is littered with great lightweights beating great welterweights. Duran moved up and beat SRL. Mosley moved up and beat DLH. The consensus all-time P4P #2 Henry Armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight titles simultaneously. There was nothing unique or wrong with Mayweather fighting JMM. Add to that he was coming off a two year layoff and I think it was a great performance against a great fighter.

[hitking]

The sport of boxing doesn't agree with you.

It boils down to personal opinion and personally, I like to see P4P elites fighting each other. That's why I'm more excited about Pacquaio-Marquez III than I am for Mayweather-Ortiz. That said, I understand the arguements on both sides. Bot personally, I'd be shocked if Mayweather outdraws Pac in PPV. Andsince Mayweather normally outdraws Pac. If he doesn't, I think it clearly points to Pac taking the bigger fight and better opponent.

[PacTard]

The sport of boxing doesn't agree with you.

Based on what?

[mikemurni]

Mayweather and Hatton started fighting professionally at roughly the same time. And while Hatton was a career 140 lber, Mayweather started at 130. So actually Mayweather was a lot further from his starting weight fighting at welter than Hatton. And unless Mayweather hit puberty when he was 30, he and Hatton aren't that far apart in size.

You're right, Gatti was a money fight. But at the time, he was also The Ring magazine's #1 contender to the 140 title that was held by Tsyzu and soon taken by Hatton, who you also criticize Mayweather for fighting.

DLH was on the downside of his career. But, not only was he the biggest cashcow in boxing, but he was arguably the top guy at 154, where Mayweather fought him. Nothing wrong with Money taking that fight.

I personally wish Mayweather wouldn't have taken the Judah fight. But, he did clean it up in my mind when he fought Baldomir, who you also criticize him for fighting, for the universally recognized welterweight title.

As for JMM, boxing history is littered with great lightweights beating great welterweights. Duran moved up and beat SRL. Mosley moved up and beat DLH. The consensus all-time P4P #2 Henry Armstrong held the featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight titles simultaneously. There was nothing unique or wrong with Mayweather fighting JMM. Add to that he was coming off a two year layoff and I think it was a great performance against a great fighter.

Lets put this in perspective.. Oscar and Gatti are money fights which Floyd should take. But lets not fool ourselves that Oscar and Gatti were the top dogs. The LWW linear champ belonged to Kotsa Tzuyu.. And Oscar was not the top JMW.. I mean c'mon he fought Mayorga after one year retirement. That doesn't put you straight to the top.

Baldomir, I guess you could give him some credit there. But when you have Mosley, Margarito waiting for their turn, it kindda turns you off. Baldomir is a journeyman and really is not in the same class as Marg or Mosley at that time.

JMM is a tuneup fight. Pac is already being criticized for fighting JMM at 144 eventhough really they are naturally the same size. So if you criticize that you must do the same with JMM-May.

Floyd should have fought Hatton at LWW since you said that both fighters were naturally the same size. But both fighters were undefeated so you have to give him credit there too..

And the list that I gave you.. those were 5 of 7 fights (From Chop Chop to Oscar). Which means they came almost successively..

[GRUSTLER]

It boils down to personal opinion and personally, I like to see P4P elites fighting each other. That's why I'm more excited about Pacquaio-Marquez III than I am for Mayweather-Ortiz. That said, I understand the arguements on both sides. Bot personally, I'd be shocked if Mayweather outdraws Pac in PPV. Andsince Mayweather normally outdraws Pac. If he doesn't, I think it clearly points to Pac taking the bigger fight and better opponent.

Do you want to place a bet on that? Mayweather will for sure outsell Pac against Ortiz.

[GRUSTLER]

Based on what?

Victor Ortiz is riding high right now. Floyd is coming back after a 16 month layoff. Put them two ingredients together and you have a recipe that works.

[Rapid Counter]

I agree that Pac's last three opponents have been pathetic, and that's putting it mildly. But, the P4P #1 is stepping up (finally) and fighting a fellow P4P elite in Nov when he fights JMM for the third time. In the never-ending Mayweather-Pacquaio soap opera, Pac gets the nod from where I'm sitting when it comes to the two's choice of 2011 fall opponents. I'm ordering Pacquaio-Marquez III. I'm not ordering Mayweather-Ortiz. Pac's in a superfight, Mayweather isn't. That can't be disputed.

BTW, I'm a Mayweather fan and basically can't stand Pac.

I don't see how pac fighting a 38 year old lightweight can be considered a superfight. And that's coming from a Marquez fan. And how you can call yourself a Mayweather fan and can't see that him fighting Ortiz after a year and a half layoff is a bold statement baffles me. Hope you enjoy watching a guy that you basically can't stand (your words) beating on a 38 year old lightweight.

[mikemurni]

I don't see how pac fighting a 38 year old lightweight can be considered a superfight. And that's coming from a Marquez fan. And how you can call yourself a Mayweather fan and can't see that him fighting Ortiz after a year and a half layoff is a bold statement baffles me. Hope you enjoy watching a guy that you basically can't stand (your words) beating on a 38 year old lightweight.

Its a super fight because it will generate over a million buys.. Pac and Floyd fights are now events.

[hitking]

Lets put this in perspective.. Oscar and Gatti are money fights which Floyd should take. But lets not fool ourselves that Oscar and Gatti were the top dogs. The LWW linear champ belonged to Kotsa Tzuyu.. And Oscar was not the top JMW.. I mean c'mon he fought Mayorga after one year retirement. That doesn't put you straight to the top.

Baldomir, I guess you could give him some credit there. But when you have Mosley, Margarito waiting for their turn, it kindda turns you off. Baldomir is a journeyman and really is not in the same class as Marg or Mosley at that time.

JMM is a tuneup fight. Pac is already being criticized for fighting JMM at 144 eventhough really they are naturally the same size. So if you criticize that you must do the same with JMM-May.

Floyd should have fought Hatton at LWW since you said that both fighters were naturally the same size. But both fighters were undefeated so you have to give him credit there too..

And the list that I gave you.. those were 5 of 7 fights (From Chop Chop to Oscar). Which means they came almost successively..

Tsyzu lost the 140 title to Hatton close to when Mayweather beat Gatti. Are you familiar with Hatton's "tune-up" excuse. I think he sat ringside and watched Mayweather beat someone and said he "needed a couple tune-ups" before fighting Money, and this was after he had taken the title from Tsyzu. Mayweather wanted it at 140, Hatton didn't. Mayweather also wanted Cotto at 140, but Arum claimed Cotto as the WBO titlist in that division was "too green" for a fight with Money. This is what forced Mayweather's move up to welterweight.

And exactly who did Margarito beat that made him a world beater that he was the man Money should have fought instead of the lineal champ Baldomir? And Mosley? He was 7-4 with a NC in his 12 fights prior to fighting Cotto. So exactly what had he done to make him the man Money should have fought instead of the lineal champ?

As for JMM, I'm not criticizing Pac for fighting him because I understand boxing history. Those who are criticizing him are Pacquaio haters, which I'm not. I'm not a fan of his, but I call a spade a spade. Mayweather deserves full credit for beating JMM and so will Pac. But pesonally, I'm not as convinced that Pac is gonna have an easy time with JMM like many believe. I've seen JMM probably taken between16-18 of the 24 rounds they've fought. And if he can handle Pac's power, I think he ca beat him......again.

[hitking]

I don't see how pac fighting a 38 year old lightweight can be considered a superfight. And that's coming from a Marquez fan. And how you can call yourself a Mayweather fan and can't see that him fighting Ortiz after a year and a half layoff is a bold statement baffles me. Hope you enjoy watching a guy that you basically can't stand (your words) beating on a 38 year old lightweight.

If you check any credible P4P list, JMM is probably in the top 5. On the other hand, Ortiz was KO'd by a Maidana who just went life-n-death with a completely washed up Erik Morales andfought to a draw with Peterson. I don't see anything bold about fighting a guy that struggles against that level of competition when IMO Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world. Pacquaio-Marquez III is historically meaningful, Mayweather-Ortiz is historically irrelevant, unless Ortiz pulls the upset.