Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather's Return Rekindles Years-Long Firefight

[mikemurni]

Pac's fighting JMM, who's currently in everyone's P4P top 5. Mayweather is fighting Ortiz, who got KO'd by Marcos Maidana and fought to a draw with Lamont Peterson. I'm generally on Money's side when it comes to his opponents versus Pac's. But please, Pac is clearly in the bigger fight this fall.

Apart from this, Floyd also fought

DLH who was coming of a loss to Hopkins, retirement and tuneup fight against Mayorga
Judah lose to Baldomir
Brussels drew against a bum
Corley lose to Judah
Mitchell lose to Tzuyu, a tuneup win against a bum...


Now these is ***** Logic.. So I am just going by their argument.

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WHAT?! JMM at 144LBs where Floyd already white washed him? I agree that JMM is a true fighter with heart and skill but clearly Ortiz who is now a full fledge WW is a better look for a fighter that considers himself the best. JMM is not a WW fighter and we already witnessed what he can and can't do above 135 and Pac is fighting him at 144, where he could have fought him at 140. Pac 3rd fight against JMM is a super fight? Really? OK, that's your opinion but Mayweather/Ortiz is a match of a young determined fighter with something to prove coming off a fight of the year performance to get it on with Mayweather, the undefeated veteran who has been on a lay off and has a lot to protect being undefeated and all. Ortiz/Mayweather should be good. I got Mayweather in that one but curious to see what is going to pop off. IF JMM gives Manny a hard time at 144 then you already know Pac ain't seeing Floyd because Floyd treated Marquez like he was a highschool guy picking on a public school kid.

I don't buy the whole, "JMM can't fight above lightweight" nonsense. That crap was started by the Mayweather haters to **** on a great performance by Money. JMM is solidly one of the top 5 foghters of his era and a bonafide ATG. There's no way anyone is gonna convince me that in an era of weigh-ins 30 hours before the fight an ATG as a lightweight and a total bum as a welterweight. If he can handle Pac's power, he's probably gonna win if the Pac that has shownup against Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley shows up. Its a big fight and I'm excited about it.

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I normally have a difference in opinion with your comments but I agree here.
Seems Pacquiao struggles a bit with fighters who are not rushing him, and using boxing skills.
I don't think Mayweather will need to use a jab as he has never been a jab thrower. I can't really ever remember him using a jab all night long. The key to him beating Pacquiao ( if ever both get in the ring) will be his lead right hands. He is deadly and accurate with those right hands and after a few rounds of right counters I could see Pacquiao slowing down.

It will be very interesting to see the Marquez/Pacquiao III fight, because in their first 2 fights Marquez landed that right hand at will. Wonder if he could do it again in their 3rd fight.

Mayweather has a jab but rarely uses it but if he sticks it in Pac's stomach then that will disrupt his flow and punch out put, then Floyd can bring it upstairs. Pac is a volume puncher who thrives off of aggression. Patience, accuracy and defense will expose him. The reason why I picked against Pac so much was because he gets hit way too much but I didn't expect him to be able to take punches from bigger guys but he did and has. Floyd is just too accurate, defensive and technically in the ring is next to perfect. I think (and this is just my opinion) that Mosley exposed certain Flaws that Pac has. If a fighter don't rush Pac with their face open then Pac has a hard time. while Manny Pacquiao is definitely an entertaining fighter I just honestly feel like Floyd is too much for him style wise. Manny has one gear and once he puts his foot on the gas he keeps going but making Manny miss, counter punching, defense and movement will overwhelm him. roach said he has to change Manny's whole style up for floyd, while Floyd adjusts during the fight.

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I don't buy the whole, "JMM can't fight above lightweight" nonsense. That crap was started by the Mayweather haters to **** on a great performance by Money. JMM is solidly one of the top 5 foghters of his era and a bonafide ATG. There's no way anyone is gonna convince me that in an era of weigh-ins 30 hours before the fight an ATG as a lightweight and a total bum as a welterweight. If he can handle Pac's power, he's probably gonna win if the Pac that has shownup against Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley shows up. Its a big fight and I'm excited about it.

I agree. Juan Manuel Marquez is one of my top fighters. I really saw what he was capable of in the Katsidis fight. He was looking fresh and very competitive. Lets be honest though. Floyd outclassed him at 144 with pure boxing skills and not even aggression and he made it look easy. If JMM is competitive against Pac at 144, then you know already what will happen if Pac meets Floyd. I hope JMM has it in him to pull it off AND I hope that the fight is legit. Juan Manuel Marquez has fought and given us some exciting fights and fought good competition at 135. Much respect to him.

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Apart from this, Floyd also fought

DLH who was coming of a loss to Hopkins, retirement and tuneup fight against Mayorga
Judah lose to Baldomir
Brussels drew against a bum
Corley lose to Judah
Mitchell lose to Tzuyu, a tuneup win against a bum...


Now these is ***** Logic.. So I am just going by their argument.

I guess Pac fighting Mosley coming off a loss to Mayweather and a draw with Sergio friggin' Mora, Margarito after getting demoed by Mosley, Clottey off a loss to Cotto, Cotto off a loss to Margarito and life n death struggle with Clottey, Hatton off a KO loss to Mayweather and nearly being KO'd by Juan Lazcano (who couldn't punch at lightweight, DLH after a loss to Mayweather and getting busted up by "2 Pound" Forbes, and an Erik Morales who had just been clowned by a C Class fighter Zahir Raheem is better.

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I agree. Juan Manuel Marquez is one of my top fighters. I really saw what he was capable of in the Katsidis fight. He was looking fresh and very competitive. Lets be honest though. Floyd outclassed him at 144 with pure boxing skills and not even aggression and he made it look easy. If JMM is competitive against Pac at 144, then you know already what will happen if Pac meets Floyd. I hope JMM has it in him to pull it off AND I hope that the fight is legit. Juan Manuel Marquez has fought and given us some exciting fights and fought good competition at 135. Much respect to him.

I don't care if Pac KOs JMM in the first round, I'm still picking Mayweather by a comfortable UD if he and Pac fight.

[mikemurni]

I guess Pac fighting Mosley coming off a loss to Mayweather and a draw with Sergio friggin' Mora, Margarito after getting demoed by Mosley, Clottey off a loss to Cotto, Cotto off a loss to Margarito and life n death struggle with Clottey, Hatton off a KO loss to Mayweather and nearly being KO'd by Juan Lazcano (who couldn't punch at lightweight, DLH after a loss to Mayweather and getting busted up by "2 Pound" Forbes, and an Erik Morales who had just been clowned by a C Class fighter Zahir Raheem is better.

Lets go by your logic.. At least Cotto, Marg, Clottey are only losing against each other.. At least Pac was coming in as an underdog against Morales in their second fight, not to mention Morales was still in the P4P list..

Floyd on the other hand are fighting guys like Corley, Mitchell, and Brussells who are not only average fighters at best but also coming of a loss or a bad performance...

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Lets go by your logic.. At least Cotto, Marg, Clottey are losing against each other.. At least Pac was coming in as an underdog against Morales in their second fight, not to mention Morales was still in the P4P list..

Floyd on the other hand are fighting guys like Corley, Mitchell, and Brussells who are not only average fighters at best but also coming of a loss or a bad performance...

Are you serious? You talk about the Chop Chop, Mitchell, and Brusselles fights like they were the biggest fights of Mayweather's career. Let me give you a history lesson. He fought Chop Chop and Bruselles in eliminators to become Gatti's mandatory to force that fight because Gatti and Buddy McGirt didn't want to fight him. He fought Mitchell in his welterweight debut and as a tune-up for Judah. Judah screwed up and lost the title to Baldomir and Money went ahead with the fight anyway. But, he went on and fought Baldomir for the title in his next fight, which he is also criticized for. Mayweather has consistantly fought guys coming off signature performances. He fought Mosley after he KO'd Margarito. He fought JMM after KO wins over Casamayor ad Diaz, not to mention he beat Pac in most people's minds prior to Casamayor. He fought Hatton coming off what was probably the second best win of his career KOing Castillo. He fought Baldomir after he beat Judah and KO'd Gatti. He fought Castillo after the Stevie Johnson fights. He fought an undefeated "Chico" Corrales who was killing everybody. He fought a Genaro Hernandez who was unbeaten at 130. Its not my logic, its fact. Mayweather has fought guys coming off signature performances. Pac has fought a lot of guys coming off loses and lackluster performances.

[mikemurni]

Are you serious? You talk about the Chop Chop, Mitchell, and Brusselles fights like they were the biggest fights of Mayweather's career. Let me give you a history lesson. He fought Chop Chop and Bruselles in eliminators to become Gatti's mandatory to force that fight because Gatti and Buddy McGirt didn't want to fight him. He fought Mitchell in his welterweight debut and as a tune-up for Judah. Judah screwed up and lost the title to Baldomir and Money went ahead with the fight anyway. But, he went on and fought Baldomir for the title in his next fight, which he is also criticized for. Mayweather has consistantly fought guys coming off signature performances. He fought Mosley after he KO'd Margarito. He fought JMM after KO wins over Casamayor ad Diaz, not to mention he beat Pac in most people's minds prior to Casamayor. He fought Hatton coming off what was probably the second best win of his career KOing Castillo. He fought Baldomir after he beat Judah and KO'd Gatti. He fought Castillo after the Stevie Johnson fights. He fought an undefeated "Chico" Corrales who was killing everybody. He fought a Genaro Hernandez who was unbeaten at 130. Its not my logic, its fact. Mayweather has fought guys coming off signature performances. Pac has fought a lot of guys coming off loses and lackluster performances.

I gave Floyd full credit for the Mosley fight. I cant question you that. I even gave him credit for his fights at LW and SFW.

So having said that Floyd's WW and LWW exploit are made up of tune-up fights against average fighter coming of a loss, and these fighters:

Hatton - fought a shot Castillo.. The only fight he had at WW before he fought Floyd was against Callazo, and arguably loss that fight.. So really WW is not his best weight

Gatti- Gatti is way past his prime when Floyd fought him. That was strictly a money fight

Oscar - Oscar was coming of a long retirement, and a loss against Hopkins. Not to mention before that he arguably lose to Sturm

Judah - was a mental midget.. He lose his fight against a journeyman in Baldomir

Baldomir - is nothing more than journeyman who actually expose Judah..

JMM - was P4P# 2 when he fought him. Unfortunately P4P does not equate to actual weight.. JMM's impressive win came at LW, too bad that Floyd fought him at WW..

And your analogy that all of Floyd fights are fighters coming of an impressive wins are already false considering that I already gave you a list which includes his big fights (DLH, Zab), and tuneup fights to dispute that. And those fights came almost successively from one fight after another. Those were 5 out of 7 fights starting from Chop Chop to Oscar..

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Pac's fighting JMM, who's currently in everyone's P4P top 5. Mayweather is fighting Ortiz, who got KO'd by Marcos Maidana and fought to a draw with Lamont Peterson. I'm generally on Money's side when it comes to his opponents versus Pac's. But please, Pac is clearly in the bigger fight this fall.

The sport of boxing doesn't agree with you.