where do you rank hopkins all time NOW??

[RubenSonny]

Who besides Mayorga smokes.i also noticed you bypassed my other two posts.I can watch 90 percent of Hopkins fights online and break them down,with the oldschool fighters you may get a few fights,but like in ssrs resume wheres all the battles with lamotta was lamotta weight drained was he past it no footage how can you tell what went on.Guys like Arum say Pacs the best ever he is old as sht and watched those fights you talk about live.

They might take drugs behind closed doors, hell I thought Pea beat Oscar and Leonard went on to do great things after sniffing blow.

Ricky Hatton use to drink a lot.

Why would I bypass your posts?

[MARKBNLV]

And who is greater out of Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest?

The same goes for Pep. Regardless to the fact Saddler beat him 3 times, Pep is by far the greater fighter.

Thats what i meant.

[IronDanHamza]

Thats what i meant.

Then you agree H2H means little in terms of greatness?

[IronDanHamza]

Bernard Hopkins is not a Top 25 all time great.

[MARKBNLV]

They might take drugs behind closed doors, hell I thought Pea beat Oscar and Leonard went on to do great things after sniffing blow.

Ricky Hatton use to drink a lot.

Why would I bypass your posts?

Hatton still drinks a lot.

Anyway man to true fans going at each others throats is a pointless fight,you know your shiet so do i,give me some videos you think i have never seen and i will check them out,were here to learn from each other not hate.

[MARKBNLV]

Then you agree H2H means little in terms of greatness?

its just another supplement,dudes back in the days used speed,every era has had its offenders.

[MARKBNLV]

Bernard Hopkins is not a Top 25 all time great.

I can argue that strongly,outside of Roy Jones Jr who i have top 25 also,who has beat hop legit,every fight he has lost is highly questionable.

[IronDanHamza]

its just another supplement,dudes back in the days used speed,every era has had its offenders.

You've lost me.

I said H2H means little to greatness.

By 'H2H' I mean 'Head to head match ups'.

[IronDanHamza]

I can argue that strongly,outside of Roy Jones Jr who i have top 25 also,who has beat hop legit,every fight he has lost is highly questionable.

That doesn't matter.

He still isn't a Top 25 all time great and there is very little argument for him being one.

[RubenSonny]

From there age?Bhop is whooping 28 yearolds at home and winning titles.
And i have actually fought buddy i am not discrediting any fighter of the past i am just making a case for hop,i want to see your top 25 of alltime that would be interesting.

I don't have a top 25 list but I can name 25 fighters that can be considered greater than Bhop:
Robinson
Langford
Greb
Armstrong
Charles
Pep
Leonard
Leonard
Booker
Hagler
Moore
Walker
Gans
Duran
Whitaker
Burley
Jofre
Gavilan
Lamotta
Nelson
Arguello
Ross
Mclarnin
Napoles
Rosenbloom
Tunney
Hearns
Walcott
Jones
Chavez
Villa
Steele
Olivares
Ortiz
Williams
Spinks

Not even naming heavyweights.

Hatton still drinks a lot.

Anyway man to true fans going at each others throats is a pointless fight,you know your shiet so do i,give me some videos you think i have never seen and i will check them out,were here to learn from each other not hate.

Check out some Freddie Steele (one of the more underrated middleweight greats), should be some stuff on youtube.