where do you rank hopkins all time NOW??

[Vadrigar.]

There is a difference between better and greater, son.

Do you not understand that?

Give me a good example between two fighters.

[MARKBNLV]

Certainly not by resume, which comes first in my rankings.

Resumes are subjective also,you look at dlhs record he has Chavez and Whitacker real fans know they were past prime,but how will it look in 30 years.fighters of past eras have little amount of footage to really tell how great they were.In the common mans eye dlh was greatest since Leonard we as boxing buffs know different.

[Larry the boss]

No chance.

why not???atleast you're listing names..break it down for me

[MARKBNLV]

In the Top 3 this guy has big names after big names under his belt young lions other hofs ,seperate division champions .has been in every single fight never put to shame

top 3 no............

[jrosales13]

how many hof's are on his resume son??

So we agree that paper title defenses is not a great achievement right?

[MARKBNLV]

Greb, Monzon, Hagler, Rob. then you got Steele, Ketchel, Flowers, Tiger, Cerdan, Fitz, Charles, and Walker all have legitimate cases to be ranked higher if you ask me (which you did lol).

how much footage do you have on these guys,everyone you list is 80s and before like many historians you overrate their colective accomplishments.

[RubenSonny]

Not saying that,but it was not uncommon to see a fighter smoking after a fight,or drinking heavily.

Some fighters smoke and drink today, most didn't back then, point void, not that it even matters that much, performance in the ring is all that matters.

[IronDanHamza]

why not???atleast you're listing names..break it down for me

Monzon
Greb
Robinson
Hagler
Fitzsimmons

Are all catergorically greater Middleweights than Bernard Hopkins.

To go further we have;

Ketchel
Burley
Tiger
Lamotta

Who I all have above Hopkins at Middleweight personally.

There is most definitely a strong argument for him being in the Top 10 at MW. I have him at #10.

But Top 5? Like I said. No chance.

Other fighters who could argubally be above him are;

Cerdan
Steele
Flowers

etc etc etc.

[jrosales13]

Give me a good example between two fighters.

Pac and Floyd, Pac is the greater fighter. He's resume and accomplishment is greater than Floyd. However, Floyd is the better fighter, he's more skilled. And, in a H2H match up Floyd probably would win. But, if we're talking about who's greater. It's Pac.

And, there is others. Like Ricardo Lopez who's very skilled. Maybe the best most skilled little man of all time. But, he's resume is not that great. That makes it very hard to rank him.

We really don't know how good skilled Greb. I haven't seen any tapes of his fights. So we don't know how good he was. We have some kind of idea but really don't know. However, we know how great he was because of his resume.

[Larry the boss]

Monzon
Greb
Robinson
Hagler
Fitzsimmons

Are all catergorically greater Middleweights than Bernard Hopkins.

To go further we have;

Ketchel
Burley
Tiger
Lamotta

Who I all have above Hopkins at Middleweight personally.

There is most definitely a strong argument for him being in the Top 10 at MW. I have him at #10.

But Top 5? Like I said. No chance.

Other fighters who could argubally be above him are;

Cerdan
Steele
Flowers

etc etc etc.

thanks man..that was a educated post