Pacquiao is NOT an 8-division titlist

[miron_lang]

Exactly Pac won't be remembered for bullcrap he has pulled in his last 3 fights. So why try to defend it?

Because it was done before. and many fighters have won vacant belts.


I am not saying that Pac should get credit equal to those of Ledwabba's conquer.


Just leave the ****ing matter if someone doesnt like it. because so many fighters have done it and doesnt get flak for it.


and in fact Ray's title is more absurd. Pac just won a vacant belt.

[jrosales13]

Because it was done before. and many fighters have won vacant belts.


I am not saying that Pac should get credit equal to those of Ledwabba's conquer.


Just leave the ****ing matter if someone doesnt like it. because so many fighters have done it and doesnt get flak for it.


and in fact Ray's title is more absurd. Pac just won a vacant belt.

Again they do get flak for it, Ray did...If Ray got flak why can't Pac?

Nobody defending Ray, nobody is defending all the rest that won vacant straps for a weight-class they never fought at a catch-weight.

Tell me who won a vacant title at weight-class they never fought in at a catch-weight and didn't get flak or people defend. I will wait for you to name somebody who did all three.

So why sit here and defend Pac for it? Instead of doing why not be a real fan and call a spade a spade?

[miron_lang]

Again they do get flak for it, Ray did...If Ray got flak why can't Pac?

Nobody defending Ray, nobody is defending all the rest that won vacant straps for a weight-class they never fought at a catch-weight.

Tell me who won a vacant title at weight-class they never fought in at a catch-weight and didn't get flak or people defend. I will wait for you to name somebody who did all three.

So why sit here and defend Pac for it? Instead of doing why not be a real fan and call a spade a spade?

Yeah they get flak for it. and they deserved it. but what is done is done. so
let them matters be.

case :

Many journalists dont like the Marg fight. but after the bout they consider Manny as 8 division titlist. They just add details if they like too.

They do this for 'records' purposes. but in the future some poster maybe named RJosales can brought up the fact that the title was won at a catchweight and it is vacant right? but the actual record say 154 title. same with Ray officially he won 5 titles but anybody can bring up why its questionable. I hope you got it.

[jrosales13]

Yeah they get flak for it. and they deserved it. but what is done is done. so
let them matters be.

case :

Many journalists dont like the Marg fight. but after the bout they consider Manny as 8 division titlist. They just add details if they like too.

They do this for 'records' purposes. but in the future some poster maybe named RJosales can brought up the fact that the title was won at a catchweight and it is vacant right? but the actual record say 154 title. same with Ray officially he won 5 titles but anybody can bring up why its questionable. I hope you got it.

Right, and hopefully nobody tries to defend that bullcrap by saying well so and so did blah blah...This is boxing forum, we talking boxing. Which includes questioning the merits of any fighter including Pac no matter how much that hurts.

This whole "just leave it be" because he's a favorite fighter is F'ing ridiculous. And, I hope you get that.

Pac is not bigger than the sport. Ray Leonard is not bigger than the sport. And, as much praise as they deserve when is warranted they also deserve criticism when is warranted.0

Be proud of the great accomplishments and stop trying to defend the BS that they pulled.

[Khalid X]

that's not the point at all. The world remembers/recognizes sugar ray leonard as a 5 weight division champion even though he never fought at/a light heavyweight (and had just as many, yet more egregious, catchweight title fights as pac). After the garcia fight, margarito was ranked the #1 contender at 154 by both the wbc and wba. You may not agree with the ranking but that's the way it was and even with the cw, margarito weighed in at the light middleweight class which is more than you can say for donny lalonde.

So regardless of if you agree or not, Manny Pacquiao IS an eight weight division champion and will forever be remembered/recognized as such.

Yeah I most defiantly consider him a 8th division champ.

Who were the top JMW's when Manny fought Margarito?? Cotto, Cintron Angulo and Bunrage. Fact is Tony had wins over two guys ranked in the top 5 (Cintron and Cotto) as well as former top JMW Martinez so even if Margarito wasnt the #1 guy he was atleast top 5 ( he was ranked that high by two sanctioning bodies as well as the ring IIRC)

[Khalid X]

Yeah they get flak for it. and they deserved it. but what is done is done. so
let them matters be.

case :

Many journalists dont like the Marg fight. but after the bout they consider Manny as 8 division titlist. They just add details if they like too.

They do this for 'records' purposes. but in the future some poster maybe named RJosales can brought up the fact that the title was won at a catchweight and it is vacant right? but the actual record say 154 title. same with Ray officially he won 5 titles but anybody can bring up why its questionable. I hope you got it.

No one will give a **** about what these posters and arm chair boxing experts have to say.

If they did then almost every legenday boxers resume would get picked apart. For instance Ray Robinson fighting Armstrong was way worse than Manny fighting Shane and Robinson ducking Burley was on par with what most current boxers are blasted for in today's time.

Today there is just way too much botching and moaning from fans, but at the end of the day history doesn't give a **** as to what most of these trolls have to say, so yeah I agree with your post 100%

[jrosales13]

No one will give a **** about what these posters and arm chair boxing experts have to say.

If they did then almost every legenday boxers resume would get picked apart. For instance Ray Robinson fighting Armstrong was way worse than Manny fighting Shane and Robinson ducking Burley was on par with what most current boxers are blasted for in today's time.

Today there is just way too much botching and moaning from fans, but at the end of the day history doesn't give a **** as to what most of these trolls have to say, so yeah I agree with your post 100%

Does SRR get any credit for beating Armstrong? And, Armstrong was rank #1 for SRR title. He was the #1 contender and nobody brings up that win for SRR. Because, by all accounts Armstrong was done. The only reason SRR fought him was cuz' Armstrong needed the money. And, as a favor to Armstrong to give him that payday he fought him.

Maybe you taking a shot at me with your little "arm chair experts" comment. And, that fine Mike, I'm OK with you taking shots at me. But, if we going to tell the story, lets tell it right. Lets not act like SRR got any ounce of credit for beating Armstrong cuz' he didn't.

Maybe we didn't have all that *****ing and moaning back then. Because, nobody was defending BS and ****riding certain fighters like today fans.

Everybody knows SRR avoided Burley. Lamotta avoided Burley. And, history remembers all this. That's the reason why you and I and anybody who would actually do an ounce of true research knows about it. Because, history tells us. Nobody is getting a pass here.

[Khalid X]

Does SRR get any credit for beating Armstrong? And, Armstrong was rank #1 for SRR title. He was the #1 contender and nobody brings up that win for SRR. Because, by all accounts Armstrong was done. The only reason SRR fought him was cuz' Armstrong needed the money. And, as a favor to Armstrong to give him that payday he fought him.

Maybe you taking a shot at me with your little "arm chair experts" comment. And, that fine Mike, I'm OK with you taking shots at me. But, if we going to tell the story, lets tell it right. Lets not act like SRR got any ounce of credit for beating Armstrong cuz' he didn't.

Maybe we didn't have all that *****ing and moaning back then. Because, nobody was defending BS and ****riding certain fighters like today fans.

Everybody knows SRR avoided Burley. Lamotta avoided Burley. And, history remembers all this. That's the reason why you and I and anybody who would actually do an ounce of true research knows about it. Because, history tells us. Nobody is getting a pass here.

That was not a shot at you because I haven't read this entire thread (your comments included) except for the reply miron Lang made....something I agree with.

I have been saying the same exact thing for the last few days, which is there is way too much b1tching and moaning now n days. Like miron said, and which is why I co-signed and quoted is now n days people bash Manny Floyd or any other top fighter for this every other ATG has done. Those guys:

1. Fought shot/past their prime/old fighters
2. Fought for money and ducked fighters in more blatant fashion than any fighter today
3. Took fights that were pointless etc, fought for vacant/no named titles/catchweights

I mean basically nothing that is done today isn't anything new to the sport that hasn't been done by every legendary fighters. The thing is no one cares about what the critics had to say or go out of their way to take away from there legacy. The same will happen with Floyd, Manny Bhop Roy and every other top fighter in the sense that while all these armchair boxing experts think their opinion matters, as time goes no one all give a **** and those fighters will be remembered for their achievements in the sport of boxing.

And yes, Manny will be remember as an 8th divisional titlist and no one will care about how he won it.

[TintaBoricua]

there, i said it

that "8th" title is a sham and it's all because of boxing's dirty politician scumbags like Sulaiman and Arum

as a Pac fan, i cannot give this credit to Pacquiao

4 lineals & 7 division belts were good enough for Pac as his ticket to Canastota

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Cotto's welterweight belt at the catchweight of 145.

Not that Cotto was going to win, but why did Roach have Oscar fight at 147, make Cotto drop to 145, then jump back up with Clottey at 147, only to have Margarito drop to 150, and then meet Mosley at 147.

Technically, Cotto's and Margarito's losses were with questionable weights.

Margarito's was worse, though. 150 is closer to 147 than 154, Margarito was unranked...but what the hell, right? Hooray for Pacquiao for making history!

I give him credit for his win over Margarito, but at this point, the credibility of titles is in OVERKILL status. Dead.

Prestigious WBC Diamond belt...GTFO!

[jtiger777]

lmao at the responses