Scott Levinson: "Memo to Pacfans: 12 Points to Consider"

[Bushbaby]

*******s are the worst I've ever seen.I've never heard a ***** say that Margarito can beat Martinez right now,never.

[FINCHINGBAG]

Your article is very nice but asking the Filipinos to tone down their demeanor will never happen. The demeanor you mentioned was only a reaction to an insult from the other side.

It's a natural process. You defend yourself.
Filipinos are not aggresive people. The become rabid if you poke their eyes.

[brick wall]

just take the good ones and ignore the bad eggs. whatever happens don't generalize because that makes you as ****** as those fans you're criticizing. and some people like to point out the bad pacfans because they think they have the edge and it makes them feel good. but in reality, some of these critics are really not that knowledgeable too because if they are they won't waste their time debating with the ignorant fans. if you believe you know better than them then why bother? it's just internet...people do ****** things over the internet because they know their real identity is concealed. who knows maybe they're just fooling around to piss you off and make fun of you. you throw out tantrums and they win.
and besides what's with boxing knowledge anyway? it's far from an indication of ones IQ or social standing so there's really not much to brag about it. but if being a boxing fan is just one of the few things you're good at i can't blame you if you take pride of it no matter how pathetic it is.

[Alibata]

why single out pac fans?

aren't there any racist ****** floyd fans who think floyd is the greatest ever?

Floyd fans don't really count thats why...

[TheTruth!]

*******s are the worst I've ever seen.I've never heard a ***** say that Margarito can beat Martinez right now,never.

Which ******* said that.

Damn, they got low IQ's, but that's something else!

[Bushbaby]

Which ******* said that.

Damn, they got low IQ's, but that's something else!

There's a few,but Puga is 1 that comes right off the top of my head.

[rambov]

Finally, I was at the point where I was about to find another site to discuss boxing. The sad thing is that I found myself getting caught up in the drama. Shame on me.

Green K before BS takes this down.

[Brutal Honesty]

http://www.proboxing-fans.com/memo-t...nsider_052511/

Published: May 25 2011 by: Scott Levinson

Listen Up Pacquiao Fans....

I admire the way Filipinos support Manny Pacquiao. I can only wish boxing heroes were treated that way here in the USA. As one cruises the Internet, however, it appears that it has gone overboard. I understand it. After all, some are begrudging in giving Manny his just due as an all-time great. Couple that with the unsubstantiated drug accusations levied against Pac by Floyd Mayweather and his fans, and it’s not hard to figure out why Pacquiao fans are shot out of a cannon.

I regard Manny as the best in the sport. I also sided with him 100% in the whole drug debate. I found it troubling that Floyd’s half-baked theories were given any credence whatsoever. After all, doesn’t Floyd being a rival of Pacquiao’s cut into his credibility a little bit? That’s like letting the Yankees write the book on the Red Sox—I just don’t take seriously the criticisms of people with such an obvious vested interest and bias. The venom of Pacquiao supporters is somewhat justified in that area.

But now, it seems like Pacquiao fanatics are actually doing their man harm. The dialogue has become intolerable. Anyone making remarks that are even remotely negative toward Pacquiao catch a ton of flack. Even if you write an article about Muhammad Ali [or Bernard Hopkins] a bunch of weirdos will jump on there and ask why isn’t the article about Pacquiao? For educated boxing fans, the Internet is hard enough to stomach. But now, it has been made utterly unbearable.

I want all the Pacquiao fans to consider the following points with equanimity. Keep an even temper and actually ponder some of these points. Then maybe we can get to the business of serious boxing talk instead of juvenile pissing contests that go nowhere.

01. Boxing and its history are areas of knowledge that take years to develop just like any other subject. Being a Pacquiao fan does not necessarily make you an expert on boxing or the history of sport.

02. The belief that Americans and the U.S. press are predisposed to dislike foreign fighters is a preposterous notion. It’s more of a case of the top dog always catching flack. Go look at how other pound-for-pound #1 fighters in recent years were treated by the press and then tell me there is something abnormal about what Pacquiao is forced to endure.

03. There are at least 15 fighters in boxing history who have more than a good case for being ranked ahead of Pacquiao on the all-time list. You might think he’s the best of all-time and are entitled to your opinion. But to lambaste a person who dare suggests that Harry Greb was better (a man with 25 wins over fighters in the Hall of Fame) makes you look profoundly ignorant to any person who knows the history of the sport. Just so you know.

04. Strong opinions, bluster, and insults are no substitutes for actual knowledge. Go put in your 25,000 hours studying the sport and then you’ll be qualified to compete. Until then, you resemble a poodle pissing on an elephant’s leg. You’re in no position to question the expertise of certain people. Knowing your true strengths is also knowing your limitations. True expert status is not something you just magically acquire in any area of life, so why boxing?

05. You cannot judge boxing history accurately with the presence of bias. If you’re coming from a predisposed slant, I can pretty much predict everything that you will say. And those are the last people who get taken seriously when discussing boxing history.

06. To love a fighter and champion his cause is good. To call someone’s mother into question because he suggested Tommy Hearns in his prime might defeat Pacquiao is childish.

07. You can tell a boxing conversation is low-level when insults make up a large part of the dialogue. The real minds in the business of boxing history are able to discuss and disagree in a civil manner. People who are “in the know” build up a vast reservoir of knowledge upon which they carefully mold an opinion based on years of careful deliberation. You got the game all twisted. You began with a strong opinion and then built a case to support it.

08. Overly-obnoxious fans are actually accomplishing the opposite of what they intend—having turned off a ton of people with this infantile Internet campaign.

09. Real fans, historians, and the real clever minds in the business are not the same people you see slurring Pacquiao on lowly message boards and other places upon which you paint an impression of the typical American fan. You have allowed 1% of the fans to dictate the agenda to you.

10. Why does the fact that Pacquiao has achieved the bulk of his glory right here in the USA not speak louder to you than what a handful of asswipes might be saying on YouTube?

11. The levying of insults and even racism toward Mayweather and his fans detracted from the superior case Pacquiao has in this whole debate. Pacquiao fans could have won the debate on drugs or who the best is with superior evidence and point-making. By following Mayweather and his fans into the gutter, you took the focus off the actual merit of Pacquiao’s case.

12. It’s not too late. By elevating the level of boxing talk, you can start to nudge people the right way, rather than turn them off. The whole point here is for Pacquiao to get his just due and not be unjustly labeled as a cheater, isn’t it? So educate instead of denigrate. Explain the case and don’t just whack people over the head. Filipinos know their boxing. It’s time to show it. Leave the kid stuff for the kids.

a couple things to think about:

1, filipinos are not the only ones that support pacquiao.

2, what is this writer complaining about? he talks about pacquiao fans disagreeing with who experts? teddy atlas or other people who comment on message boards? because filipinos are the only fans who disagree with analysts?

3, how about writing an article covering the other side? floyd fans are just as racist & in my opinion even more ****** than pacquiao fans. where's the article blasting them?


again as i have stated earlier, if you look at the majority of videos on youtube, the overwhelming majority are done by black men who fancy themselves as some expert who diss on pacquiao. Keep in mind floyd & manny are the first boxers whose fan base lived & started during the internet blogging comments section age. This type of rivalry & the nonsense it ensues is just the tip of the iceberg.

whenever the new p4p king comes whether it be a filipino, black, white, japanese, mexican etc you will see the same thing. to single out a fanbase because they are a very small minority in this country while not questioning the his rivals fanbase who is just as rabid & ****** is wrong. You cant get mad at fans for being fans.

[Brutal Honesty]

are you kidding me? have you seen almost all the youtube videos? especially the boxing analysis videos? the overwhelming majority are done by young black men who fancy themselves as some important all knowing sage & do nothing but hate on pacquiao. live in obscurity? dont make me laugh. even in sports radio shows, the callers who call are overwhelmingly black guys. Black guys who have nothing better to do but complain about their team & think their opinions have so much weight when in reality they are petty, insignificant & trifling.

a couple things to think about:

1, filipinos are not the only ones that support pacquiao.

2, what is this writer complaining about? he talks about pacquiao fans disagreeing with who experts? teddy atlas or other people who comment on message boards? because filipinos are the only fans who disagree with analysts?

3, how about writing an article covering the other side? floyd fans are just as racist & in my opinion even more ****** than pacquiao fans. where's the article blasting them?


again as i have stated earlier, if you look at the majority of videos on youtube, the overwhelming majority are done by black men who fancy themselves as some expert who diss on pacquiao. Keep in mind floyd & manny are the first boxers whose fan base lived & started during the internet blogging comments section age. This type of rivalry & the nonsense it ensues is just the tip of the iceberg.

whenever the new p4p king comes whether it be a filipino, black, white, japanese, mexican etc you will see the same thing. to single out a fanbase because they are a very small minority in this country while not questioning the his rivals fanbase who is just as rabid & ****** is wrong. You cant get mad at fans for being fans.

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[rambov]

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