Scott Levinson: "Memo to Pacfans: 12 Points to Consider"

[jtiger777]

Most hardcore Mayweather fans I have talked with and debated with (as a guy who is not a big fan of Mayweather), they have been more knowledgeable and know of many other fighters.

The thing is, to be a hardcore Mayweather fan you gotta actually like boxing. To be a Pacquiao fan, you just have to be Filipino.

My girl is half Filipino. Her dad is from the Philippines. Some of her aunts and cousins came last year and you wouldn't believe how offended they get about anything pertaining to Pacquiao. An article had mentioned that Pacquiao's car was found with guns and some other stuff (I don't remember) and they got very offended, like I was talking about their brother, and I wasn't even saying it in a demeaning way, I was just asking for any inside information that they may have seen on Filipino TV, because they are pretty wealthy over there so they're not like "3rd world people."

And those cousins of hers didn't know a thing about boxing, but they couldn't stop talking about how great Pacquiao is and how he would knockout Mayweather and I would venture to say they had never seen Mayweather fight, but had only probably seen clips of Mayweather beating Hatton at the Pacquioa/Hatton fight and listen to the commentators emphasize on how Pacquiao did it so much quicker.

To me, that's your average Pacqiao fan. It's hard to give credibility to a fighter who's fanbase is mostly nationalistic, because the Filipino's have no other fighters aside from Donaire. If blacks love Mayweather simply because he is black.... well.... They have an entire list of ATG's that I'm sure they love and follow as well, like Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Aaron Pryor, and the list goes on and on up to Floyd Mayweather.

Mayweather doesn't just have fans for no reason.

Pacquiao has fans for no reason other than race - being Filipino (the majority).

I gotta ask, how many Filipino's were really on this site and really running around on boxing websites before Manny Pacquiao? My guess is a fraction of what is out there today.

*****'s may be just as dedicated, but without question many of them follow the sport more closely and follow more fighters.

great post!!!!!!!

[Ryannn]

if the pac fans needed a lawyer youd get the job buddy

at the end of the day i agree 100% WITH THE ARTICLE

the writer wrote specificly about pacs fans thats not my fault if u feel as though he should have wrote about *****s as well then you would have to take that up with him... im just commenting on what i read

my point is that a bad fan is a bad fan, no matter who he roots for.

[jtiger777]

oh please. Any fan of any sport knows that the more popular an athlete is, the more casual fans it grabs, and therefore the more ******ed/clueless fans it brings. This is a given, and it's the nature of sports. There's really no reason to write about it and IMO the writer only did this to get MASSIVE hits on his article because he knows that there are ALOT of casual Pacfans that's going to respond.

With that said, I do agree with him, but anyone here who doesn't think it works both ways are morons and belongs to the same category of people the writer is referring to.

As a guy who enjoys watching boxing, a pinoy, and who likes Pac, it drove me insane when I watched the Mosley fight and all these silly pacfans (I'm sure most of them are pinoy) are going crazy everytime Pac throws a punch, even tho it's not that big of a punch, I mean WTF was that? These people clearly hasn't seen a boxing match in their life, and that shit was annoying and it was embarassing to me as a pinoy boxing fan. Just like how these pinoys cheer for his singing when it's obvious he can't sing for shit. I know we're all proud of him, but cmon now, let's draw a line somewhere!

at the bar i was at they went nuts also lol!!!!!!

[Rolaz]

Why zero in on Pacman fans?

It would have been much better if, you should set a good example by not making criticism against Pacman Fans ALONE,

but, to ALL Boxing fans!

Make MEMO address to ALL Boxing Fans!

[CarlosG815]

"to be a fan of floyd, you got to be a fan boxing"- dude. a lot of fans of floyd here are bragging how rich he is.

is it cause of his style? the "only people who know boxing can be fan of his" kind of thinking that really piss me off. its not true, and it's condescending to true fight fans who prefer aggressive fighters to defensive fighters.

Look at my sig man... Trust me, I love aggressive style fighters. If you think it's Floyd's hip hop image that people love, well that may be so, but again, it's not like there aren't A MILLION HIP HOP stars in the US like Usher, Trey Songz, 50 cent, and the list goes on and on. They all have the same image, but these guys are here because they like boxing for boxing.

I don't see how anybody who isn't a boxing fan could watch Mayweather and just like how he fights - as great as he is, to me and for many casual fans, he is boring and that's why I believe that his fans are actual boxing fans.

[Ryannn]

It can but the article is about Pacquiao fans and there is a reason for that....

You seem to be in denial. When everybody notices something about a particular group, it's probably cause it's true. Your wife comes to you and says "I think you have a drinking problem." And you say "You're missing the point, all the guys get drunk after work."

But there's a reason it's being brought to your attention, same with Pacquiao fans.

I am shocked this article came out. I have been thinking this for so long, so much that I stopped coming into this section because the minute you speaking honestly about Pac or question anything he does, you are nailed with red K and to top it off, the debate that comes out of it is not intelligent.

I have never been Red K'd or had a bad debate with a Mayweather fan that was not halfway intelligent.

I'm just being honest, and I've debated with a lot of Mayweather fans like No_Ceilings and other guys.... They know the sport. The only Pacquiao fan that I have ever debated with who was enjoyable to debate with and knew some stuff was JRosales and we went back and forth for a few pages. All the rest of those guys are a joke.

so, your position is that bad floyd fans are better than bad pac fans. while my stand is bad pac fans are just as bad as bad floyd fans.

and i'm being delusional and unfair?

i don't disagree with the article, as i said before.

but no crap fan base is better than the other. feel free to disagree with that.

[CarlosG815]

Why zero in on Pacman fans?

It would have been much better if, you should set a good example by not making criticism against Pacman Fans ALONE,

but, to ALL Boxing fans!

Make MEMO address to ALL Boxing Fans!

Because they are the ones with the serious problems... Look... If you got a few brothers and sisters, and you all like to drink, but your mother comes to YOU and says she thinks you have a problem, and everybody agrees, and you say "Why are you just zeroing in on me, it's all of us!" That is denial and it is being brought to you because you are the one with a serious problem, as is the case with Pacquiao fans. They are the worst of the bunch. The term "Rabid" gets thrown around so often when referring to them and I can't think of a better word. Actually, that was the first word that came to my mind before I had heard anybody refer to them that way, and I have heard others use it as well.

They're bad man. And if you don't notice it, then you are probably one of them and are in denial.

[AFighter4U]

It can but the article is about Pacquiao fans and there is a reason for that....

You seem to be in denial. When everybody notices something about a particular group, it's probably cause it's true. Your wife comes to you and says "I think you have a drinking problem." And you say "You're missing the point, all the guys get drunk after work."

But there's a reason it's being brought to your attention, same with Pacquiao fans.

I am shocked this article came out. I have been thinking this for so long, so much that I stopped coming into this section because the minute you speaking honestly about Pac or question anything he does, you are nailed with red K and to top it off, the debate that comes out of it is not intelligent.

I have never been Red K'd or had a bad debate with a Mayweather fan that was not halfway intelligent.

I'm just being honest, and I've debated with a lot of Mayweather fans like No_Ceilings and other guys.... They know the sport. The only Pacquiao fan that I have ever debated with who was enjoyable to debate with and knew some stuff was JRosales and we went back and forth for a few pages. All the rest of those guys are a joke.

you have to put into consideration just how many fans Manny has.

you do realize that whenever Manny fights, armies from BOTH sides actually STOP FIGHTING in the Philippines. even THIEVES and CRIMINALS stop what they are doing to watch him fight.

like i said before, pac fans are just like any fan base of any popular athlete, just multiply it by 100 (or more).

so whatever Pac fans have been doing, its nothing unique or new or different. nothing other fans have done in the past. its simply magnified several times simply because there are just so many of us.

and most likely the reason you were never red k'd by a floyd fan is because most of them are in the red themselves and SIMPLY CANNOT red k you.

i had the unfortunate experience of being red k'd by a floyd fan... and i wasn't even debating with him!

[CarlosG815]

If you regularly use terms like "nuthugger", "*******", and "*****" you are no better than the fans you rail against, in fact you're a part of the problem when you should lead by example and be a part of the solution. Boxing is a gentleman's sport, grow up and act like gentlemen.

Says the guy who sent me angry PM"s calling me a "****head" in the subject line and talking about living in basements. Get off your pedestal, GTFO and go watch Berto vs Ortiz and try to score it properly this time.

[CarlosG815]

you have to put into consideration just how many fans Manny has.

you do realize that whenever Manny fights, armies from BOTH sides actually STOP FIGHTING in the Philippines. even THIEVES and CRIMINALS stop what they are doing to watch him fight.

like i said before, pac fans are just like any fan base of any popular athlete, just multiply it by 100 (or more).

so whatever Pac fans have been doing, its nothing unique or new or different. nothing other fans have done in the past. its simply magnified several times simply because there are just so many of us.

and most likely the reason you were never red k'd by a floyd fan is because most of them are in the red themselves and SIMPLY CANNOT red k you.

i had the unfortunate experience of being red k'd by a floyd fan... and i wasn't even debating with him!

That right there says a lot about the types of fans he has. As popular as Tyson ever was, nobody was putting off a hit or robbery to watch him fight, and we sure as hell weren't pulling our boot of another countries ass that we were at war with.

After many debates with Floyd fans I would get green k that said "Nice debatin wit ya man." The reason I notice the Manny fans is because they are so much worse than Floyd fans.

There was some idiot that went and made an entire thread about me in the Pinoy Lang because I didn't like Manny's choice of opponent over the last few years.

I'm not saying Floyd fans are perfect cause there are idiots on both sides, but the *******s are worse, hence why there are a thousand video's on youtube about it and why there are now articles written on it.