Hopkins vs Pacquiao OST argument. Why its not the same...

[JDezi4]

R u ****ing people serious?

The thread is a response to those saying "How come people when Manny denied testing, he was accused, mean while when Hopkins denied testing, he was not"... That is clearly in the opening comment

I'm pretty sure Pac didn't take Floyd's tests because Floyd is not the commission.

B-Hop is a freak of nature and has been for awhile. He didn't take the tests for similar reasons. Pascal is not the commission. He has no right to demand drug testing when it's not his position to demand it.

If the commission told both Bernard and Manny to take tests a few days before the fight I'm sure both of them would, but not because Pascal/Floyd want some kind of psychological edge.

To quote Pac, a fighter's job is to train hard and fight. Making extra demands is for your manager and promoter to deal with in your best interests. The proper way to handle the whole situation was to petition the boxing commissions not to distract the fighter.

The way both Pascal/Floyd went about it gave away their true intentions of using the testing as a mental edge they could hold over their opponent. They would both know that the opponent gave in to the tests and that would feed their ego.

ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT. The thread had nothing to do with why Floyd or Pascal did it

Any opinion why Pascal brought up the testing issue only after the contract was already signed?

And what does it matter if the contract was signed. Hopkins could have said yes. It's not like conducting tests is rocket science.

*This is for discussion purposes only. I'm in no way interested whether Hopkins should have agreed or not. I really don't care.

To respond to ur question, the comment above basically explains why Pascal asked AFTER the contract was already signed.... He wanted to get in Hopkins' head, or he wanted the media to be all over Hopkins so he would be distracted. Or he's just an idiot and didn't think of it until it was too late.

However, the rest of you response is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT. Whether or not he could have said yes has nothing to do with the thread. Fact is HE DIDN'T SAY YES... Nothing any of u can discuss will change that, and that's why the thread is about that. I'm not interested in fantasy explanations.

He doesnt get all the roid hate because he's black, if he was white or asian he would get 1000 threads and news reports about how he's on steroids, but nope Black people get a pass on everything racism (Only black people are allowed to be racist).

The rest of ur reply could very well have been intelligent, and may even be the first reply to have something to do with the thread, however, by opening with that line, u lose credibility

because Hopkins hasn't went up a kazillion weight classes knocking out people bigger and better?

he's only been in two weight classes, declining slowly because of sound boxing fundamentals - he's still battling off fatigue in his fights, not the sign of a juicer to me.

ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT, this thread is not about "who is guilty, Hopkins or Pacquiao"

*******s pppppppppppppppppppppp

Kill urself PLEASE

This is your problem though, no fight requires it.

One sissy does.

Dumb response. No fight requires it by any governing body, but the fight won't happen unless he takes the test (as I pointed out). So obviously u don't approve of it, but no one asked you.

I have no idea what ur trying to say

they both should take the test so there's no doubt that they aren't cheating

ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT

i doubt it,

why wud u give the biggest ever payday to a man that's been smearing yr name,

i know i wuddnt.

The difference between a boxing fan and a BOXER fan

under the pretense of upgrading for a better testing, no wonder everybody suddenly gobbles up this but if you try to look under the surface, its simply Floyd trying to stall this fight as long as he can

Kill urself PLEASE!

[Vasyl’s dad]

Dumb response. No fight requires it by any governing body, but the fight won't happen unless he takes the test (as I pointed out). So obviously u don't approve of it, but no one asked you.

Its the only response. The fight won't happen because Floyds a p ussy. Plain and simple. You'd have more of a case if Floyd had used this extra test for, say, 41 other fights. But he didn't.

[Haglerwins]

ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT, this thread is not about "who is guilty, Hopkins or Pacquiao"

the suggestive cheating affecting one fighter and not the other has everything to do with the question, because at its core, when aimed at Bernard, it's erroneous. what the hell are you waffling about?

[straightleft]

Funny I don't hear much of the *****s who jumped Hopkins **** asking him to take the test. Hypocrite assholes.

[JDezi4]

Its the only response. The fight won't happen because Floyds a p ussy. Plain and simple. You'd have more of a case if Floyd had used this extra test for, say, 41 other fights. But he didn't.

The only response to what? Nothing I said

the suggestive cheating affecting one fighter and not the other has everything to do with the question, because at its core, when aimed at Bernard, it's erroneous. what the hell are you waffling about?

Lmfao... WHAT QUESTION????? R U SERIOUS????

Funny I don't hear much of the *****s who jumped Hopkins **** asking him to take the test. Hypocrite assholes.

Yeah, *****s r hypocrites.... Why do u care what they want to say about Hopkins. If Hopkins picked Pacquiao to beat Floyd, they would say he was a PED user and sucks.... So why even care of anything that they say?????

[jrosales13]

because Hopkins hasn't went up a kazillion weight classes knocking out people bigger and better?

he's only been in two weight classes, declining slowly because of sound boxing fundamentals - he's still battling off fatigue in his fights, not the sign of a juicer to me.

Been talks about B-hop being on PED's for a whole decade now. Those type of rumors wouldn't still be going for that long if there wasn't any merit to them.

PED can only help so much. He's still 46 yrs old smart one.

Richard Hall only fought in one or two weight-class. Didn't KO bigger and better up, didn't go up kazillion weight-class. And, still took PED's...What's your point?

[NinjaMan!]

Basically all of u on the "why is Hopkins accused while Pac is" side r saying Hopkins denied testing PERIOD (nothing to do with any point in the negotiations) so why is it that when Pac denied testing, he is accused, while when Hopkins denied it, he got a pass? Am I right...

Well u didn't take this into consideration...

Just by looking at NSB alone, who r the ones that r absolutely convinced that Pacquiao is on steroids?

*****S - The people who's opinions matter to the absolute MINIMUM. Entirely equal to *******s, unless u r one or the other, in which case, u think being one is better than the other, which just emphasizes how illegitimate their opinions r. Why make threads entitled "So, *****s, howcome.... blah blah blah". Why do u want to know their opinions? Their opinions mean nothing?

Now, what do the boxing fans with legit opinions think about it? They say (on average) "I DON'T THINK HE'S ON ANYTHING, I just think he should take the test if he has nothing to hide"

Do u wanna know why they say that? It's becuz him not taking the test equates to the Pac/Floyd fight not happening...

That's why they want him to take the test, so the Floyd fight will happen. I mean, no one really cares whether or not he takes the test if it didn't matter. Hell, judging by how most people (including the HOF commission) look at SHANE MOSLEY's FACTUALLY illegitimate career, most people probably wouldn't even care if he was on steroids. Boxing fans want to see boxing matches, its as simple as that. And they want Pac to take the test becuz they want Pac to be apart of a specific boxing match that appears to require it.

As oppose to B-Hop's situation, where him not taking a test did not lead to any of his fights not happening (none that I know of). If a special BHop fight against someone like Chad Dawson or whatever gets called off becuz BHop, than it will be similar, but as of now it really isn't.

The only similarity is that 1 fighter asked the other to take OST, and the other fighter said no.... That's all

Side Note: People r saying that Pascal is braver than Floyd becuz he fought anyway without Hopkins taking the test, but THE CONTRACT WAS ALREADY SIGNED, HE HAD NO CHOICE! Who knows what would have happened if he had asked for the testing BEFORE the contracts were signed... BHop may have said yes to the test, or Pascal may have called the fight off if BHop refused...

Anyway, my two-cents... Tell me what u think

Because asking for extra testing is a G@y b.i.t.c.h move. *****s know it but they love Floyd so much they can't bring themselves to admit it.

[Haglerwins]

Been talks about B-hop being on PED's for a whole decade now. Those type of rumors wouldn't still be going for that long if there wasn't any merit to them.

PED can only help so much. He's still 46 yrs old smart one.

Richard Hall only fought in one or two weight-class. Didn't KO bigger and better up, didn't go up kazillion weight-class. And, still took PED's...What's your point?

I can't take that seriously, since Trinidad?

Ok.

Where was his stamina in several of his big fights if he was juicing all that time?

[Haglerwins]

Lmfao... WHAT QUESTION????? R U SERIOUS????

The bungled opening one in your first post.

[jrosales13]

I can't take that seriously, since Trinidad?

Ok.

Where was his stamina in several of his big fights if he was juicing all that time?

What do you mean where was his stamina? Did he not show stamina against Tito, Tarver, Pavlik?

He didn't fade in any of those fights at all.

Were these not big fights?

Apparently not eh? OK then...

And, I don't think B-Hop is on PED's. But, the fact is that he's as likely as to be on PED's as Pac is.