Hopkins vs Pacquiao OST argument. Why its not the same...

[JDezi4]

Basically all of u on the "why is Hopkins accused while Pac is" side r saying Hopkins denied testing PERIOD (nothing to do with any point in the negotiations) so why is it that when Pac denied testing, he is accused, while when Hopkins denied it, he got a pass? Am I right...

Well u didn't take this into consideration...

Just by looking at NSB alone, who r the ones that r absolutely convinced that Pacquiao is on steroids?

*****S - The people who's opinions matter to the absolute MINIMUM. Entirely equal to *******s, unless u r one or the other, in which case, u think being one is better than the other, which just emphasizes how illegitimate their opinions r. Why make threads entitled "So, *****s, howcome.... blah blah blah". Why do u want to know their opinions? Their opinions mean nothing?

Now, what do the boxing fans with legit opinions think about it? They say (on average) "I DON'T THINK HE'S ON ANYTHING, I just think he should take the test if he has nothing to hide"

Do u wanna know why they say that? It's becuz him not taking the test equates to the Pac/Floyd fight not happening...

That's why they want him to take the test, so the Floyd fight will happen. I mean, no one really cares whether or not he takes the test if it didn't matter. Hell, judging by how most people (including the HOF commission) look at SHANE MOSLEY's FACTUALLY illegitimate career, most people probably wouldn't even care if he was on steroids. Boxing fans want to see boxing matches, its as simple as that. And they want Pac to take the test becuz they want Pac to be apart of a specific boxing match that appears to require it.

As oppose to B-Hop's situation, where him not taking a test did not lead to any of his fights not happening (none that I know of). If a special BHop fight against someone like Chad Dawson or whatever gets called off becuz BHop, than it will be similar, but as of now it really isn't.

The only similarity is that 1 fighter asked the other to take OST, and the other fighter said no.... That's all

Side Note: People r saying that Pascal is braver than Floyd becuz he fought anyway without Hopkins taking the test, but THE CONTRACT WAS ALREADY SIGNED, HE HAD NO CHOICE! Who knows what would have happened if he had asked for the testing BEFORE the contracts were signed... BHop may have said yes to the test, or Pascal may have called the fight off if BHop refused...

Anyway, my two-cents... Tell me what u think

[ThePunchingBag]

I'm pretty sure Pac didn't take Floyd's tests because Floyd is not the commission.

B-Hop is a freak of nature and has been for awhile. He didn't take the tests for similar reasons. Pascal is not the commission. He has no right to demand drug testing when it's not his position to demand it.

If the commission told both Bernard and Manny to take tests a few days before the fight I'm sure both of them would, but not because Pascal/Floyd want some kind of psychological edge.

To quote Pac, a fighter's job is to train hard and fight. Making extra demands is for your manager and promoter to deal with in your best interests. The proper way to handle the whole situation was to petition the boxing commissions not to distract the fighter.

The way both Pascal/Floyd went about it gave away their true intentions of using the testing as a mental edge they could hold over their opponent. They would both know that the opponent gave in to the tests and that would feed their ego.

[JDezi4]

I'm pretty sure Pac didn't take Floyd's tests because Floyd is not the commission.

B-Hop is a freak of nature and has been for awhile. He didn't take the tests for similar reasons. Pascal is not the commission. He has no right to demand drug testing when it's not his position to demand it.

If the commission told both Bernard and Manny to take tests a few days before the fight I'm sure both of them would, but not because Pascal/Floyd want some kind of psychological edge.

To quote Pac, a fighter's job is to train hard and fight. Making extra demands is for your manager and promoter to deal with in your best interests. The proper way to handle the whole situation was to petition the boxing commissions not to distract the fighter.

The way both Pascal/Floyd went about it gave away their true intentions of using the testing as a mental edge they could hold over their opponent. They would both know that the opponent gave in to the tests and that would feed their ego.

Understandable but irrelevent to the subject

[al-Xander]

Side Note: People r saying that Pascal is braver than Floyd becuz he fought anyway without Hopkins taking the test, but THE CONTRACT WAS ALREADY SIGNED, HE HAD NO CHOICE! Who knows what would have happened if he had asked for the testing BEFORE the contracts were signed... BHop may have said yes to the test, or Pascal may have called the fight off if BHop refused...

Any opinion why Pascal brought up the testing issue only after the contract was already signed?

And what does it matter if the contract was signed. Hopkins could have said yes. It's not like conducting tests is rocket science.

*This is for discussion purposes only. I'm in no way interested whether Hopkins should have agreed or not. I really don't care.

[Bushbaby]

I'm pretty sure Pac didn't take Floyd's tests because Floyd is not the commission.

B-Hop is a freak of nature and has been for awhile. He didn't take the tests for similar reasons. Pascal is not the commission. He has no right to demand drug testing when it's not his position to demand it.

If the commission told both Bernard and Manny to take tests a few days before the fight I'm sure both of them would, but not because Pascal/Floyd want some kind of psychological edge.

To quote Pac, a fighter's job is to train hard and fight. Making extra demands is for your manager and promoter to deal with in your best interests. The proper way to handle the whole situation was to petition the boxing commissions not to distract the fighter.

The way both Pascal/Floyd went about it gave away their true intentions of using the testing as a mental edge they could hold over their opponent. They would both know that the opponent gave in to the tests and that would feed their ego.

Excellent post & correct.Simply put,neither Floyd nor Pascal ever really had a leg to stand on with baseless accusations.It's the same thing & it's also bull****.

[ChampBox@PR]

I'm pretty sure Pac didn't take Floyd's tests because Floyd is not the commission.

B-Hop is a freak of nature and has been for awhile. He didn't take the tests for similar reasons. Pascal is not the commission. He has no right to demand drug testing when it's not his position to demand it.

If the commission told both Bernard and Manny to take tests a few days before the fight I'm sure both of them would, but not because Pascal/Floyd want some kind of psychological edge.

To quote Pac, a fighter's job is to train hard and fight. Making extra demands is for your manager and promoter to deal with in your best interests. The proper way to handle the whole situation was to petition the boxing commissions not to distract the fighter.

The way both Pascal/Floyd went about it gave away their true intentions of using the testing as a mental edge they could hold over their opponent. They would both know that the opponent gave in to the tests and that would feed their ego.

Excellent post & correct.Simply put,neither Floyd nor Pascal ever really had a leg to stand on with baseless accusations.It's the same thing & it's also bull****.

Agreed with both!!!

[The MiZ]

Only certain people say Pac is on roids. If there was a chance Hopkins was making as much money as pac in one fight, i think he would take the test.

[oc9979]

Another thing that is different is that one made different excuses while the other just said "no". Is there any footage of Hopkins saying hs is not taking the test?

If pacquiao's job ie too train, why the catchweight? And the penalties for coming over the weight? I thought that's the commission's job.

How is Hopkins a freak of nature? He hasn't knocked out someone in 7 years.

[Medved]

He doesnt get all the roid hate because he's black, if he was white or asian he would get 1000 threads and news reports about how he's on steroids, but nope Black people get a pass on everything racism (Only black people are allowed to be racist).

I think that Bernard and 50% of the boxers are on some sort of crap thats not legal. Do they know they are using it? Not all of them, but it makes you wonder.

Does he need to be tested tho? Not unless you test everyone who fights for a title with an independant test done by someone who has no affiliation ($$$) with a promoter/fighter/etc.

Unless you have strict testing done on Title fights by 3rd party non biased agencies then people will ALWAYS cheat the system.

What does Bernard have to lose by juicing? NOTHING.

Hes already old, his reputation is already of a racist and being known as dirtiest fighter in boxing history. Its not like he has anything to lose. He's been spitting in peoples face and laughing when he breaks the rules so its not like this is such a far stretch for him to juice.

I still say dont test him unless you test EVERYONE who competes for a title fight. I dont know why this hasnt been done by the WBO/WBA/WBC/IBF,etc.

[oc9979]

He doesnt get all the roid hate because he's black, if he was white or asian he would get 1000 threads and news reports about how he's on steroids, but nope Black people get a pass on everything racism (Only black people are allowed to be racist).

I think that Bernard and 50% of the boxers are on some sort of crap thats not legal. Do they know they are using it? Not all of them, but it makes you wonder.

Does he need to be tested tho? Not unless you test everyone who fights for a title with an independant test done by someone who has no affiliation ($$$) with a promoter/fighter/etc.

Unless you have strict testing done on Title fights by 3rd party non biased agencies then people will ALWAYS cheat the system.

What does Bernard have to lose by juicing? NOTHING.

Hes already old, his reputation is already of a racist and being known as dirtiest fighter in boxing history. Its not like he has anything to lose. He's been spitting in peoples face and laughing when he breaks the rules so its not like this is such a far stretch for him to juice.

I still say dont test him unless you test EVERYONE who competes for a title fight. I dont know why this hasnt been done by the WBO/WBA/WBC/IBF,etc.

Does Barry Bond sound familiar to you??? He looks black to me.