Isn't it funny how Pacquiao fans cant logically explain how Manny "beats Mayweather?"

[Jack Napier]

Your fuckin' joking me right? I stopped reading after that.
He won't give Floyd that respect?

He gave Shane all the respect in the world by being extremely reluctant to go at him, fearing his right hand. Manny is not ******, and I get the impression he really does not like getting hit.

thought you weren't reading it :laugh:
and anyway, he didn't give Shane respect
he got bored chasing a guy who was running
that fight proved nothing, good or bad about Pac
it was meaningless

[J Dubb II 330]

The Castillo fight should have no bearing on how good Pac will do or won't do. The rounds Floyd usually loses or however you want to put that is the very early rounds, the feel out rounds. Consider Cotto and Mosley fight, Pacs output was low against both, He knew Cotto could box with him, Cotto got rocked and began to try and brawl and bully. Against mosley which is probably his lower output aside maybe DLH and Hatton(lol) he respected Mosleys counter ability and his timing, once he seen.he had shane he took over but still barely threw above 700. The problem with most Pac fans is they solely base Pac winning on his output. We are talking about the greatest counter puncher in the game, one of the most accurate boxers of all time. Pac is not ******, he knows Floyd is not known for his power especially in the Welter division but he also knows a great timed and accurate counter can put him on his ass. Its not always about the power. Lets go to the speed of the two, Pac is not faster than Floyd to the point where he can overcome the reach advantage, you can argue for whose hands are faster, Pac has faster volume combos and Floyds jabs and counters are faster, but even is pacs speed is slightly faster he has the reach disadvantage, and with mayweathers insane reflexes and foot work it becomes a bigger disadvantage. Yes Pac is a southpaw which makes the shoulder roll defense harder, but Floyd does something else better than most and that's lead rights and left hooks. So how is manny going to deal with lead rights before he throws and counter shots after he throws, because lets not pretend he ain't wide open, Marquez got to.him and Pac is the same boxer in 08 and now. Yea manny has a very good chin, but being able to hurt a boxer is not the only way to lower his punch output or make him second guess. I don't know why some of you say Manny is a nightmare style match up for for Floyd, its clearly the other way around and if you think other wise your just a fan boy. Mannys best chance his is hand speed and quick feet, he can hit you at angles and hes a southpaw, but mayweather has the majority of the advantages. Manny just is not good at cutting the ring off. And that's another disadvantage.

[hugh grant]

don't you get that poochiao struggled and went life and death against boxers not as good as mayweather? how simple is that??

How do you know Morales and JMM aint as good as FLoyd? Morales beats Floyd on ATG polls. How do you know Floyd could beat JMM and Morales without them having to step up to floyds weight?

Floyd is easier than JMM.

[C. BRIGANTE]

thought you weren't reading it :laugh:
and anyway, he didn't give Shane respect
he got bored chasing a guy who was running
that fight proved nothing, good or bad about Pac
it was meaningless

Shane was running?
You serious? Shane was standing right on front of Pacquiao, everytime Pac threw a flurry he connected.
But he was extremely reluctant to do so,
I think Manny is a fighter through and through.

Clearly in training camp they worked on looking out for Shanes right hand,
Manny needs to just do his own thing and not change anything.
Sure he's one dimensional but it works for him, If he had of been the same Pacquiao who fought Margarito he would of knocked out Shane.

But what Manny has is not enough to beat Floyd, What Manny has Floyd has an answer too.
Ask yourself does Manny have an answer to the straight right hand? E.g. Clottey?
Does he have an answer to a boxer with good ring movement and counter punching abilities? E.g. Marquez?

Floyd answers all Mannys questions and ticks all the boxes.

[Reloaded]

he throws 1000 punches a fight.

Not against Floyd he wont , Floyd will shut Mannys workrate to its lowest in his career , ol Mosley cut Pac way down ad thats with no legs and no trigger lol ,,, you really dont know what your looking at with Floyd , he will school Manny I have not a doubt in my mind , its not even going to be a hard fight , Mannys style will be carved up by Floyds speed movement and accuracy , Manny has got a punchers chance thats all .

[studentofthegam]

we've seen him slow down, not flagrantly tired, even in the Terrible loss
Floyd has shown good stamina at a measured pace when he's in control
he took over against Corley and Zab, was active when he wanted to be
didn't say Pac would get off 1000 punches vs Floyd, that's unrealistic
just said he'll definitely outwork him in each rd
Floyd will have no choice but to work more or get shaded
who mentioned Mosley? that fight don't mean shit :laugh:
never said Floyd wouldn't counter him, he absolutely will
admit Floyd can stun Pac, he just won't stop him
people need to stop the JMM comparisons
Floyd's better than him, but he's a lot more cautious
that will work in Pac's favor in this style clash

I only compared power which is easy to see Floyd hits harder than Marquez.

It's nothing for me to break it down as to why Manny will win. Dude I've been following boxing my entire life, was raised around it and even boxed myself.

The problem is guys like you, as well as others have this facade that Floyd has no flaws and if his opponent displays any then there is no way they beat Floyd. I'm 100% confident that Manny beats Floyd, but why get on here and debate/breakdown the fight when you guys have your minds set. If you feel that way cool....that's your opinion, but why not we all just wait till they fight so we can find out who's the better man?

Also why do you guys think Pacquiao fans have no knowledge of the sport of boxing?

You proved his point. Trying to use some self-righteous bull****. You have no answer. Those that have tried so far said the same thing I said in the first post "he throws a lot of punches".
There is no way he can win as far as boxing goes except a lucky strike with the left.

Floyd isn't a featherfist like some people call him
he's not a dangerous puncher, but he commands respect
his opponents get reluctant to rush him because they eat counters
once that sets in, he starts leading and picks them apart
Pac won't show him that amount of respect
and he has the chin to take what Floyd gives him
he'll get hit, but he won't take heavy damage
his handspeed is a key favor
Floyd can't time a guy who's faster than him as well
and Pac attacks with more than 1 big shot nowadays
Pac's flurries will get him out of his shell, landed or not
Floyd will know he's giving away rounds if he doesn't open up
Floyd countering too much loses him rds on activity
Floyd going forward opens him up in ways he's never usually open
and he's not gonna risk that enough to win

Hatton attacked with super foot speed and he timed him beautifully. Judah was just as fast. Floyd wont need to do much shoulder rolling. This fight will be in the middle of the ring. One thing I saw in Pac's last fight was that he doesnt know how to cut the ring because he hasnt had to. He followed Shane step for step and did a lot of reaching with his punches. He as to pay for that with Floyd. Countless times you have seen Pac out of position with both arms extended begging for an uppercut. Marquez gave it to him. Shane couldnt. Floyd will make him tenative just like the rest once he starts lunging in. He's guaranteeed to fight that way against anybody who can move.

[C. BRIGANTE]

The Castillo fight should have no bearing on how good Pac will do or won't do. The rounds Floyd usually loses or however you want to put that is the very early rounds, the feel out rounds. Consider Cotto and Mosley fight, Pacs output was low against both, He knew Cotto could box with him, Cotto got rocked and began to try and brawl and bully. Against mosley which is probably his lower output aside maybe DLH and Hatton(lol) he respected Mosleys counter ability and his timing, once he seen.he had shane he took over but still barely threw above 700. The problem with most Pac fans is they solely base Pac winning on his output. We are talking about the greatest counter puncher in the game, one of the most accurate boxers of all time. Pac is not ******, he knows Floyd is not known for his power especially in the Welter division but he also knows a great timed and accurate counter can put him on his ass. Its not always about the power. Lets go to the speed of the two, Pac is not faster than Floyd to the point where he can overcome the reach advantage, you can argue for whose hands are faster, Pac has faster volume combos and Floyds jabs and counters are faster, but even is pacs speed is slightly faster he has the reach disadvantage, and with mayweathers insane reflexes and foot work it becomes a bigger disadvantage. Yes Pac is a southpaw which makes the shoulder roll defense harder, but Floyd does something else better than most and that's lead rights and left hooks. So how is manny going to deal with lead rights before he throws and counter shots after he throws, because lets not pretend he ain't wide open, Marquez got to.him and Pac is the same boxer in 08 and now. Yea manny has a very good chin, but being able to hurt a boxer is not the only way to lower his punch output or make him second guess. I don't know why some of you say Manny is a nightmare style match up for for Floyd, its clearly the other way around and if you think other wise your just a fan boy. Mannys best chance his is hand speed and quick feet, he can hit you at angles and hes a southpaw, but mayweather has the majority of the advantages. Manny just is not good at cutting the ring off. And that's another disadvantage.

Paragraphs...... Christ....

[C. BRIGANTE]

It's nothing for me to break it down as to why Manny will win. Dude I've been following boxing my entire life, was raised around it and even boxed myself.

The problem is guys like you, as well as others have this facade that Floyd has no flaws and if his opponent displays any then there is no way they beat Floyd. I'm 100% confident that Manny beats Floyd, but why get on here and debate/breakdown the fight when you guys have your minds set. If you feel that way cool....that's your opinion, but why not we all just wait till they fight so we can find out who's the better man?

Also why do you guys think Pacquiao fans have no knowledge of the sport of boxing?

Because has done nothing in his entire career, stylistically that indicates to me that he can beat Mayweather.

[maguirre]

Floydiots love to recycle this ****** topic -- Pac can't possibly beat Floyd. Why can't *******s just agree and tell Floyd to fight Martinez, instead? Whoops! Don't tell me Floyd could beat Martinez too, in fantasy land, no?

I'd expect this ****** ts starts another thread saying Pac can't be that good. He has to be on something. "Take the test, Pacroid!" What a bunch of clowns. Can't even make up their minds. They cover every side of the argument.

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[J Dubb II 330]

How do you know Morales and JMM aint as good as FLoyd? Morales beats Floyd on ATG polls. How do you know Floyd could beat JMM and Morales without them having to step up to floyds weight?

Floyd is easier than JMM.

lol dude. they both beat him on atg polls? I remember this argument the other week, because Castillo did better than most expected, you believe he won and since you believe Morales and jmm are better than Castillo you believe they are both better than Mayweather. triangle theories don't work. You suggesting if mayweather came down to 140 and met Marquez in the middle that would make up a 59-12% land difference, Floyd didn't use his size advantage.against jmm he simply outboxed him something manny couldn't do