Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Pacquiao/Steroids: Rumor Creates Ruckus

[Pullcounter]

"Conspiracy theory" lol.The fact that this writer is calling people who believe Pacquiao is juicing a Conspiracy Theorist comes to show that his writer is trying too hard to convince people that Pac is not juicing.


Alot of people are not ******,they see alot of su****ious things going on with Pac.The people who are honets with themselves and don`t have a desire to drink Pacquiao`s ***** Question if Pacquiao accomplishments came naturally.

there's no ****in proof!!!!

dumb azz *****s.

believing that pac is juicing is the same as believing bin laden isnt dead and that bush was responsible for the 911 attacks. yes *****s have gotten that bad they are on that level of delusion.

come the **** on.

[AFighter4U]

Pac never agreed to a random test.He still want cutoff dates and Floyd made it clear after he signed to fight Mosley that next time he`s not giving Pacquiao any cutoff dates.

Well, both Ross Greenberg and Richard Schaefer disagree with you.

[Imhotep]

Pac already agreed to take the tests. its all over youtube, and both Ross Greenberg and Richard Schaefer attest to the tests no longer being an issue.

But for some reason, floyd is ignoring all that and is continuously repeating himself like a broken record.

You are full of ****,Pac never agreed to full testing.You are just a ******* trying to protect Pac`s image.

[SCEN3RY]

by David P. Greisman - It started with whispers, with baseless su****ions and inflammatory accusations, with unproven charges and controversial comments.

It has carried on for a year-and-a-half, these insinuations and implications that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs to aid his rise, a run through heavier divisions and accomplished opponents, a route that has taken him from future Hall of Fame inductee to contemporary all-time great.

The idea of being presumed innocent before being proven guilty does not apply in the court of public opinion. Conspiracy theories only ever spread. The deeper into the rabbit hole believers get, the more impassioned their beliefs become. Nothing will sway them. Nothing will stop them.

The rumors have long since become ruckus. It takes the lightest of tinder to add fuel to the fire.

That tinder came in the form of what was called an article but was no more than a posting by an anonymous person – not a boxing writer and not a journalist, but the pseudonym of “The Shadow,” or the username of “mikejohnson313.”

The posting ran on an unheard-of website – not a boxing website, not a news website, but on places such as “FreePressReleaseList.com” and “ArticleDesire.com” The article advertised for something called “ValueSport****ks.com.”

The most isolated of fires spread, via message boards and Twitter, with some questioning the source of the story, but many more only exclaiming about what was said in the story itself. [Click Here To Read More]

very well said

[Imhotep]

Well, both Ross Greenberg and Richard Schaefer disagree with you.

"Pacquiao has still never fully agreed to the random blood and urine testing with no cut-off dates that Mayweather has insisted on as a precondition of them fighting."


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...-juicy-matchup



This Saturday’s welterweight fight between Sugar Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao has received a ton of scrutiny in the boxing press, probably far more than it deserves, given the fact that the fading Mosley didn’t really merit the date with Pacquiao and is likely to take a brutal, one-sided beating.

After an initial period of criticism of the matchup, however, boxing scribes have for the most part fallen in line and forced themselves to believe that Mosley has a chance, trying to find any factor, no matter how picayune or seemingly irrelevant, that would make this a competitive fight or even produce a surprise Mosley win.

One, more obvious angle on the fight has been virtually ignored, however, by boxing scribes, if not boxing fans: Both of Saturday’s combatants fight under a cloud of su****ion regarding the use of performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). This lack of curiosity is puzzling given the previous high profile of the issue in the cases of both Mosley and Pacquiao.

For Mosley, it’s actually more than just su****ion. Mosley has admitted under oath to using the oxygen-boosting drug EPO, as well as “the cream” and “the clear.” Though Mosley has in public taken the usual, vague, “I know nothing” stance regarding PEDs, when you watch his testimony on YouTube, it becomes clear that the squirming, annoyed Sugar Shane knew exactly what he was doing when he was juicing big-time prior to his 2003 bout with Oscar De La Hoya.

It’s odd that while Antonio Margarito, who attempted to load his gloves before a contest with Mosley, is still openly regarded with contempt and su****ion by much of the boxing press, that same press seems to have no qualms about Sugar Shane Mosley, even though using PEDs is just a more scientific way of loading your gloves, using chemicals instead of plaster.
113658259_crop_340x234 "EPO? What's EPO?"
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Are we to believe that some of Mosley’s other big wins, like his surprise destruction of the same Margarito, weren’t tainted by PED use? Since Mosley has already proven himself to be dishonest on this subject, all of his fights not conducted with Olympic-style, unlimited drug and urine testing (his 2010 loss to Floyd Mayweather, Jr. being an exception) can now be the legitimate subject of juicing speculation.

Pacquiao, of course, has shown an aversion to such testing in the past as well. When it comes to the American boxing media, it’s pretty clear why he is mostly let off the hook. With the heavyweight division and its stars having packed up and moved to Europe, Pacquiao, along with his nemesis Floyd Mayweather Jr., are two of the last boxing superstars in the United States. To criticize the happy-go-lucky Pac-Man is thus biting the hand that feeds you for many boxing scribes.

Yet the rumors about Pacquiao using PEDs to fuel his phenomenal rise through various weight divisions to become the current king of the sport itself won’t go away.

While Pacquiao hasn’t been caught with his hand in the steroid jar like Mosley, there is some interesting circumstantial evidence suggesting that perhaps what seems too good to be true actually is too good to be true.

Pacquiao has still never fully agreed to the random blood and urine testing with no cut-off dates that Mayweather has insisted on as a precondition of them fighting. He has agreed to blood and urine tests, but always with preset cut-offs, which defeats the purpose of the testing. Pac-Man has also offered various weak excuses for not wanting the tests, like being weakened by loss of blood, that really have no validity.

Also interesting is the fact that Pacquiao’s rise to his current status has come under the tutelage of trainer Freddie Roach, whose previous star pupil, James Toney, has twice been busted for using PEDs, the first time while fighting for Roach. Roach himself has offered various and contradictory statements about what he knew regarding Toney’s use of PEDs. None of this proves that Pacquiao was encouraged to follow in Toney’s footsteps, but it doesn’t exactly help his case either.

And then there is the size of the Pac-Man’s melon. Recent pictures show Pacquiao’s skull size to be disproportionately large, despite his attempts to camouflage it with a new, Donny Osmond-style haircut. This skull-growth phenomenon is often the result of use of human growth hormone (HGH), as also seen in the super-sized domes of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. HGH, of course, is notoriously hard to detect in standard urine testing for PEDs.

None of this means Pacquiao is guilty of juicing, but put together, it all adds fuel to the fire. The fact that neither he nor Mosley insisted on random and unlimited blood and urine testing for this fight only makes matters worse. Boxing people, including the media, ignore these important issues at their own peril. Short-term gain can mean long-term pain for the sport.

The Mosley-Pacquiao fight could be totally on the up and up, or it could be a juice war, a matter not of who’s got the strongest punch, but who’s got the strongest stuff. We boxing fans shouldn’t have to wonder which of those things is true.

[tomhawq]

there's no ****in proof!!!!

dumb azz *****s.

believing that pac is juicing is the same as believing bin laden isnt dead and that bush was responsible for the 911 attacks. yes *****s have gotten that bad they are on that level of delusion.

come the **** on.

dumbest fans i've ever encountered.

[EAAE]

there's no ****in proof!!!!

dumb azz *****s.

believing that pac is juicing is the same as believing bin laden isnt dead and that bush was responsible for the 911 attacks. yes *****s have gotten that bad they are on that level of delusion.

come the **** on.

lol man i can handle someone defending Pac, but how dare you defend George bush??? lol shame shame shame

[JoeDaWg]

U would think if someone as rich and famous as pacquiao was on steriods there would be some sort of evidence linking him to something, hell anything. That's the main problem I have with this whole issue. I mean show me something, I need more then " he is too good he has to be on roids ". That's all I really take from all this, no one can do what he s doing so he must be on the juice. I need more then a half baked rumor to persecute someone of something, I still haven't seen one single shred of evidence that connects manny to steroids in any way

[Imhotep]

there's no ****in proof!!!!

dumb azz *****s.

believing that pac is juicing is the same as believing bin laden isnt dead and that bush was responsible for the 911 attacks. yes *****s have gotten that bad they are on that level of delusion.

come the **** on.

Floyd is gonna show the contract on fighthype showing that he signed to fight Pac but Pac never signed cause he did not want to take a random drug test without a cutoff.

In floyd latest vid on fighthype he showed the outfit he was gonna wear for the Pacquiao fight.He had the outfit custom made cause he thouht Pac was gonna sign.

So whose the one that`s scared?Obviously is pac is the one that`s scared to take a random cause he know`s he`s not natural.

[p4p-champ]

oh noes, a ruckus...Pacman needs to get his people on this immediately and track down this internet thug. They need to take him to court so Manny can clear his name!!

too bad there isn't an easier way to do it. lmao.