If Sergio was a natural WW, would he beat Pac or Mayweather?

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  • Pullcounter
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    #31
    Originally posted by Bushbaby
    Oh,he'll fight above 147 if the guys shot & easy pickings,believe that.

    if pac fights above 147 lbs, the other guy has to be able to come down to 150 lbs, otherwise pac is giving away too much size

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      #32
      Originally posted by Pullcounter

      if pac fights above 147 lbs, the other guy has to be able to come down to 150 lbs, otherwise pac is giving away too much size
      What about when Floyd fought Oscar?

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        #33
        Originally posted by Pullcounter
        martinez can't make 150 lbs... no if ands or buts.
        Do you still think that's true if they offered him $20M or more?

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          #34
          Originally posted by Bushbaby
          I know my guy.I'm a fan of the Punisher who makes 147 easily even though he's about 6-3 & has more than 80 inches of reach & finds it hard to make the full 160 when he fights at middleweight.But there are weight classes is right.All 3 have been champion & competed at 154.I don't really see the size difference though between Oscar,Martinez & Margarito at 154 though,do U??But yes,Martinez would easily compete with either at welterweight if he wasn't almost 40 himself he'd probably be able to make ww.He's better than ever-single-fighter that Floyd or Manny has fought at welterweight & above.
          You don't see the size difference between Margarito and Martinez? Try this: Margarito made 150 lbs for his fight with Pac while Sergio claims that he would need to lose an arm or a leg to make 150.

          Question: If Margarito outweighed Pac by 17 lbs on fight night despite making 150 at weigh-in, by how much would Sergio out-weigh Pac on fight night?

          Answer: From 22-25 lbs.

          Conclusion: Asking Pac to fight Sergio at 154 is not asking him to take on a challenge, it's asking him to lose a fight.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Bushbaby
            See that's why I really have lost respect for Manny & I've never liked Floyd.Cotto is not as great as Floyd or Manny,he's roughly around their size,but for some strange reason he's making a bit of a career at 154,too small for the weight.But Floyd & Manny both greater fighters get to have excuses made for them.That doesn't make sense to me.Why is the lesser fighter doing greater things than the greater fighters??
            beating Mayorga = doing greater things

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              #36
              Originally posted by empiricix
              You don't see the size difference between Margarito and Martinez? Try this: Margarito made 150 lbs for his fight with Pac while Sergio claims that he would need to lose an arm or a leg to make 150.

              Question: If Margarito outweighed Pac by 17 lbs on fight night despite making 150 at weigh-in, by how much would Sergio out-weigh Pac on fight night?

              Answer: From 22-25 lbs.

              Conclusion: Asking Pac to fight Sergio at 154 is not asking him to take on a challenge, it's asking him to lose a fight.
              i can see this... good point

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                #37
                Originally posted by inbox
                beating Mayorga = doing greater things
                That was in response to the gentleman I was debating.He said Cotto should fight Martinez.But why should Cotto who's less great than Floyd & Manny fight the man that they won't??

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Bushbaby
                  U do know that Martinez's dimensions are about the same size as Oscar & Margarito right.Besides Martinez is more the size of jr middleweight than middleweight.When it comes to fighting real fighters & not stiffs,then all of a sudden Floyd & Manny are too small.But Floyd wasn't to small when he beat Oscar at 154 & Pacman wasn't too small when he beat Margarito for the 154 title.All of a sudden they're to small though when an elite fighter who isn't shot wants to meet them their & settle who's the best active fighter.
                  Pac was a midget compared to marg. 5'5" 1/2 is midget for any height

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by empiricix
                    You don't see the size difference between Margarito and Martinez? Try this: Margarito made 150 lbs for his fight with Pac while Sergio claims that he would need to lose an arm or a leg to make 150.

                    Question: If Margarito outweighed Pac by 17 lbs on fight night despite making 150 at weigh-in, by how much would Sergio out-weigh Pac on fight night?

                    Answer: From 22-25 lbs.

                    Conclusion: Asking Pac to fight Sergio at 154 is not asking him to take on a challenge, it's asking him to lose a fight.
                    Nice try but Martinez & Margarito weight around the same on fight night.Even when Martinez is fighting at middleweight.Ur theory is debunked.

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                      #40
                      **** this **** Martinez isn't even a full blown MW..

                      I'd fancy Martinez vs Pac at the same weight

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