Why did HBO cut Manny PAcquiao?

[DrewWoodside]

they lost pacquiao-mosley to showtime.

showtime put up a better offer.

hbo tried to throw money at it to try to get the fight but showtime still won out.

make no mistake , hbo tried to get pacquiao-mosley. they just lost it to showtime.

And it was majorly embarassing for the top folks at HBO's sports department to have to lose this business to their competitor in Showtime. It's sad that people keep posting without knowing ****. TR dumped HBO for the Pac/Mosley fight, not the other way around.

It's possible HBO is now trying to save face by behaving high and mighty like they don't want to be in the Pacquiao business, but that's obviously a poor decision considering they are attempting to make money.

[Maidana vs Rios]

Finally, word filtered back to HBO that the network might really lose Pacquiao-Mosley.

On Wednesday, January 5th, Greenburg telephoned Arum and told him that he wanted to fly to Las Vegas as soon as possible to meet with him. They agreed to have dinner on Monday, January 10th, just the two of them.

DuBoef was scheduled to meet with Showtime boxing tsar Ken Hershman in New York earlier in the day on January 10th to finalize a term sheet. HBO had become Arum’s safety net in the event that negotiations with CBS and Showtime failed.

On January 7th, Arum called Greenburg and cancelled their Las Vegas dinner engagement. His reason, unstated, was that he felt it would be wrong to have Ross make the trip, given the fact that he hoped to close a deal with Showtime and CBS. The promoter suggested that, snow permitting (six-to-12 inches were predicted for the following Tuesday), they meet for dinner in New York on Wednesday, January 12th.

The snow didn’t permit. Arum’s dinner with Greenburg was rescheduled again, this time for Tuesday, January 18th.

By Friday, January 14th, Top Rank’s deal with Showtime had been finalized. A few issues with CBS needed to be nailed down. “I have to know that CBS will deliver what it’s promising,” Arum told one confidante. “I don’t want ‘best efforts.’ I want a full contractual commitment.”

Arum arrived in New York on Monday, January 17th. The following night, he and Greenburg had dinner at San Pietro (an upscale Italian restaurant).

“Ross thinks he has to act fast because the ship is getting ready to sail,” one observer of the unfolding drama said before the two men met. “Trust me; the ship has sailed.”

According to one report, the Arum-Greenburg dinner was civil. Bob told Ross that there were a number of reasons for a move to Showtime and CBS but the primary reason was his desire to give boxing a presence on terrestrial television. He also cited his obligation to Pacquiao and Mosley to maximize their income from the fight. “If it was a question of choosing HBO or Showtime,” Arum said, “I’d choose HBO. But CBS brings an entirely new element into the equation.”

“Then at the end,” the source recounts, “things fell apart. As they were getting ready to leave the restaurant, Bob told Ross what some of his grievances were, including the fact that HBO had played the situation with Floyd Mayweather Jr. in a way that was calculated to take Floyd away from Top Rank. Ross said, ‘That wasn’t me; that was Seth [former HBO Sports president Seth Abraham].’ Arum told him, ‘No; that was you. Seth was gone by then.’”

“Ross is trying to play chess with Arum,” the source concluded, “but he’s moving his pieces like they were checkers.”

poor rossy

[DrewWoodside]

poor rossy

Nice the exact excerpt. Yup, Greenburg is bad at his job.

[Fedora]

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-l...manny-pacquiao

Read it all.

[lfc19titles]

no doubt cbs had a huge thing with it but it all started with hbo turning their back on cotto. that got arum mad so he went elsewhere, then realised "hey you know what these guys are better anyway..." hbo tried their best but it was too late

[Left Hook Tua]

no doubt cbs had a huge thing with it but it all started with hbo turning their back on cotto. that got arum mad so he went elsewhere, then realised "hey you know what these guys are better anyway..." hbo tried their best but it was too late

i read arum was trying to get cbs involved years ago.

even before the cotto-vanes thing with hbo.



arum has been trying new (actually old) things with boxing.

the stadium fights in dalllas and new york for example.

that's why he's trying to get tv networks into boxing again.

[mathed]

Bad fight or not...1.2 + million buys would have been fat cash in HBO's pocket...they aren't tossing that kind of earning potential away because of sour g****s...if so, they aren't in the business of making money. Arum is just reminding them that they aren't the only network in town and showing GBP that they ain't shizz......I still dislike Arum though but he is apparently smarter than Greenburg, DLH, and Schaeffer..

[Check_hooks]

The upper brass of HBO are a bunch of morons. Which is a shame because the people who do the commentary are way better than Showtimes.

HBO didn't want to give Cotto that date against Mayorga. Instead they wanted Martinez vs Dricurizuk. Cotto v Mayorga did over 200k ppvs and Martinez's ratings bombed horribly. And HBO didn't want Martinez to fight his mandatory, instead they wanted him to fight a 154 pounder who nobody in america has heard of.

[-Spinal-]

Some of you need to get your facts straight, like always.


HBO did not want to buy Cotto-Mayorga, they chose to air Dzinzuruk-Martinez instead.

Here's a paragraph straight from ESPN.

Arum turned to Showtime to get involved with Cotto-Mayorga because he is angry at HBO for turning down a live network fight between Cotto, long a network staple, and 2004 U.S. Olympian Vanes Martirosyan, especially because Cotto's fight against Yuri Foreman last summer generated the network's highest boxing rating of the year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=6046384

HBO and Bob Arum are still doing business together though. But Bob Arum thought he could one-up on HBO by going to Showtime for the Pac fight. Since has Showtime been a bigger budget boxing network than HBO, please, Showtime outbidding HBO for a fight? HBO did offer at the Pacquiao-Mosley fight, but make no mistake, Bob Arum met with Ross Greenburg to hear the deal, and no matter what deal it was, he was still going to go to Showtime just get back at HBO for choosing Martinez-Dzinziruk over Cotto-Mayorga.

[-Spinal-]

The upper brass of HBO are a bunch of morons. Which is a shame because the people who do the commentary are way better than Showtimes.

HBO didn't want to give Cotto that date against Mayorga. Instead they wanted Martinez vs Dricurizuk. Cotto v Mayorga did over 200k ppvs and Martinez's ratings bombed horribly. And HBO didn't want Martinez to fight his mandatory, instead they wanted him to fight a 154 pounder who nobody in america has heard of.

And exactly what boxing fan wanted to see Cotto vs Mayorga? 200 thousand Puerto Ricans bought that fight, great for Cotto. But nobody else wanted to see that fight. Every one on Boxingscene was more excited for the Martinez fight.

And what were the viewer numbers for the Martinez fight? Can you guys please start backing up what you say with numbers, links, videos, anything!?