Martinez has an overrated resume

[New England]

oh yeah


the knockout of the year and fighter of the year and the MW world championship amounts to nothing



quit trolling, dude

maravilla came up the hard way. he was supposed to lose to paul williams twice, and to kelly pavlik.
dibella couldn't spoon feed a fighter if he tried

case and point; andre berto and al haymon


you cant knock martinez for laboring in obscurity in spain for almost a decade. that's the only real knock on his resume. getting stopped by a prime antonio margarito early in your career when you're relatively new to boxing is nothing to be ashamed of



and in terms of active fighters he's got one of the strongest line ups of opponents out there for the past 18 months considering his performances (stoppages of never stopped dzinziruk and williams (and i had him winning the first fight by a couple pts,) and he destroyed kelly pavliks face)

other than carl froch i cant think of many fighters who have lined up tougher top tier fighters for each fight




does he have the sort of resume that has hall of fame type thud?
not even close. he'd have to put in many solid years as the champion fighting solid competition, and he's not a young guy


i will say that his recent run of opponents is far more impressive than pacquiao's or floods


who is overrating his resume anyway?
if anything i'd say his payscale is lowball city

[puga]

very good fighter..but he really does have an overrated resume.....besides the pwil and pavlik wins, he does'nt have any more but ok wins...

[Uturn]

Williams was being tipped as 'the most feared man in boxing'. Martinez dominated and brutally knocked an iron chinned Williams out. It's impressive, but let's see how the resume of Martinez shapes up. He has plenty of good fights coming up yet, then we'll judge. Martinez has captured the eyes of the boxing public in the last two years..

[Khalid X]

I think he was 5 good wins in his entire career.

This is how I rate them:

Pavlik A+
Williams A+
Dzinzurik B+
Cintron B
Bunema B-

For comparsion purpose I think a win against Cintron and Bunema is no better than a win against Clottey or Carlos Baldomir.

[IronDanHamza]

He has in all honesty. He has an average resume.

It's only in recent years he has gained some good names to it.

But, atleast in 2010, he fought the best an beat the best. Which justifys his #2 ranking P4P IMO.

[P.K]

oh yeah


the knockout of the year and fighter of the year and the MW world championship amounts to nothing



quit trolling, dude

maravilla came up the hard way. he was supposed to lose to paul williams twice, and to kelly pavlik.
dibella couldn't spoon feed a fighter if he tried

case and point; andre berto and al haymow


you cant knock martinez for laboring in obscurity in spain for almost a decade. that's the only real knock on his resume. getting stopped by a prime antonio margarito early in your career when you're relatively new to boxing is nothing to be ashamed of



and in terms of active fighters he's got one of the strongest line ups of opponents out there for the past 18 months considering his performances (stoppages of never stopped dzinziruk and williams (and i had him winning the first fight by a couple pts,) and he destroyed kelly pavliks face)

other than carl froch i cant think of many fighters who have lined up top tier fighters for each fight




does he have the sort of resume that has hall of fame type thud?
not even close. he'd have to put in many solid years as the champion fighting solid competition, and he's not a young guy


i will say that his recent run of opponents is far more impressive than pacquiao's or floyds

KO of the year doesn't mean shiet to your resume.
FOTY doesn't mean shiet to your resume. You think Gatti and Ward add more to a resume to Gatti than a win over someone like Floyd?



At the end of the day, his resume is weak, however you put it. Especially if you consider his draw with Cintron a draw.

[P.K]

I think he was 5 good wins in his entire career.

This is how I rate them:

Pavlik A+
Williams A+
Dzinzurik B+
Cintron B
Bunema B-

For comparsion purpose I think a win against Cintron and Bunema is no better than a win against Clottey or Carlos Baldomir.

Surprised you can put Pavlik and William's as A +
Or Szinzurik at B+
Heck Cintron at 154 as B?

[New England]

KO of the year doesn't mean shiet to your resume.
FOTY doesn't mean shiet to your resume. You think Gatti and Ward add more to a resume to Gatti than a win over someone like Floyd?



At the end of the day, his resume is weak, however you put it. Especially if you consider his draw with Cintron a draw.

lol...

where do i start?
he knocked cintron out with a straight left hand
the ref counted him out and waved off the fight and cintron's corner lobbied their way back into the fight fight after three minutes of complaining. they should have been disqualified (for being in the ring) even if the ref gave citron the benefit of the doubt and said he beat the count, which he did not

and they still managed to job him of a decision and score it a draw

martinez scored the knockout of the year
and was named the fighter of the year....


how the **** is that not good for your resume?

what do they base the award for fighter of the year on, anyway?
oh yeah! the body of work that year (his resume for the year)


on to the next one

[New England]

KO of the year doesn't mean shiet to your resume.
FOTY doesn't mean shiet to your resume. You think Gatti and Ward add more to a resume to Gatti than a win over someone like Floyd?



At the end of the day, his resume is weak, however you put it. Especially if you consider his draw with Cintron a draw.

lol... i don't even know if you read the post...

where do i start?
he knocked citron out with a straight left hand
the ref counted him out and waved off the fight and cintron's corner lobbied their way back into the fight fight after three minutes of complaining

and they still managed to job him of a decision and score it a draw

martinez scored the knockout of the year
and was named the fighter of the year....


how the **** is that not good for your resume?

what do they base the award for fighter of the year on, anyway?
oh yeah! the body of work that year (his resume for the year)


on to the next one

[P.K]

Who said anything about these guys fitting into HOF?

I always found williams overrated but at the time many felt he was one of the best fighters around, I mean they called him "the most avoided man in boxing", Martinez came out and did what he had to do.

If there's one thing I give Williams credit for, its he was known for having a pretty damn good chin and the way Sergio laid him out was brutal.

I agree pavlik was destroyed by hopkins for the most part. But I don't believe he is completely out, Martinez destroyed whatever is left of him. I wouldn't judge his last fight against Martinez win because Pavlik is coming off 1 year lay off and rehab, its just not the same.

I never felt cintron as an amazing fighter but more of a solid contender, inwhich like I said, Martinez knocked out in round 7.

To me the older martinez gets, the better he is getting.

Don't judge the records and numbers. Judge the fighter himself, he is a fantasic fighter and isn't another decent fighter.

OK point taken on the HOF, but that was a question I put out. Is resume not judged on opponents?

I agree William's had a good chin, but he was fighting guys at 147, which plays a big factor. He was and is feared at 147. However that doesn't mean at a higher weight he is good. Also he was always open and easy to hit, and was veru clumsy at times. The quintana fight showed he could be outboxed.

As for Pavlik, yeah he just doesn't have that intensity he had. He is done, even the fight on saturday showed me that he is done.

Cintron is a solid contender indeed, but that is all.

This is why I question Martinez's resume, not just the fighter. To be put into the P4P rankings at 1,2,3 etc... heck even top 5, you need a good resume for me.

If we judge a fighter alone, then Pacquiao and Mayweather are the top guys.

P4P Martinez doesn't cut it above them. He has stamina issues and has flaws in his style himself. He is good, but not that good.