Martinez has an overrated resume

[boxer2k5]

hes ranked high because hes beating guys who was ranked high on the p4p list. p4p isnt an official list and theres like 100 of them **** everyone on this board has their own. so whats the problem? hes p4p because he beat in eyes of everyone but 3 judges cintron he lost to williams in a close big fight and paul was ranked like number 3 and suppose to be the most feared boxer in the world. martinez kncoked him out in the rematch and also dominated pavlik who was the undisputed middleweight champion. and he did it back to back not over a course of years it was within the same year which put him on the list.

[PRINCE O' PROSE]

Cintron has never been good, especially at 154. Cintron has been beaten before and proven to have weak mentality. Simply C level with B level power.

Paul William's again isn't all that. He is good at 147, purely because he holds a huge advantage in height. He has a good work rate too, but very flawed defensively. He already been outboxed by Quintana... but Margarito was a good win.

Pavlik, well beatig Taylor ans Miranda made him the man. Miranda has been a huge let down, he's got some power but not that good. Taylor is also a guy who lost to Froch and Abraham. Pavlik beat him but him and Taylor since have just not done so well. Pavlil got schooled by Hopkin's easily.

The last guy he fougut I have seen very little of. He did not seem impressive to me at all.

Cintron isn't special, but, whatever. He's a good fighter in his prime and Sergio kicked his ass.

People on this forum need to start acknowledging that Williams got better after Quintana I, he started sitting on punches and using his size more effectively, throwing more jabs, developed his head and upper body movement. After annihilating that guy in a rematch, he'd been traversing the weight divisions beating solid opposition. Martinez just had his number and annihilated him in his prime.

Pavlik wasn't himself, IMO. But you can't hold that against Martinez. Sergio beat a legit, prime middleweight champ with a big size/strength/power advantage over him.

Dzinziruk is a quality fighter in his prime. Creditable defence for Martinez.



I don't really see the sense in mentioning that Pavlik lost to Hopkins at 170, or that Taylor and Miranda haven't excelled at 168. It has little to do with the worth of Sergio's win over Pavlik at 160. Pavlik was a legit middleweight champ in his prime. Martinez dealt with him...went to war and eventually beat him up, in fact.

People talking about Paul Williams' loss to Quintana anymore are usually the same people who say that Pac's losses shouldn't be held against him and that 'losses don't automatically discredit a fighter, losses happen when good fighters fight each other and it's about how you bounce back' and yadda yadda. They pigheadedly refuse to acknowledge that Williams improved after Quintana I...wilfully myopic and annoying thinking.



Basically, Pac fans view Sergio as a threat, so they downplay him endlessly. Wearisome.




That said, Sergio's CV is NOT overrated, because few (if any) are hyping up his best stuff beyond what it is, i.e. very solid, rounded recent body of work. Arguably worthier than what Floyd and Pac have done in the same timeframe. You'd still give those guys the edge over Martinez in a P4P ranking, but that shouldn't last forever if Martinez continues to do better work than them.

If you wanted to argue his talent or quality are being overstated to a level not supported by the stuff on his CV, that's fine.




With that out the way; Chúc Dồi Dào Sức Khỏe Sống Hơn Trăm Tuổi, BikerDude! ;-)

[DTanc]

New England can not prove Martinez has a good resume LOL.

FOTY AND KO of the year means you have a good reume LOL.


LOL.

I have a good resume guys, forget who I fought, I have KO of the year guys LOL I have a good resume LOL foty guys.

Stop using LOL, it takes away any credibility you might think you have.

[PRINCE O' PROSE]

Stop using LOL, it takes away any credibility you might think you have.

Nothing wrong with a good LOL, bro.






LOLOLOL.

[Iamanidiot]

Stop using LOL, it takes away any credibility you might think you have.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Elotero]

New England can not prove Martinez has a good resume LOL.

FOTY AND KO of the year means you have a good reume LOL.


LOL.

I have a good resume guys, forget who I fought, I have KO of the year guys LOL I have a good resume LOL foty guys.

STFU dude. No one is mistaking your lack of knowledge as truth here.

[P.K]

Cintron isn't special, but, whatever. He's a good fighter in his prime and Sergio kicked his ass.

People on this forum need to start acknowledging that Williams got better after Quintana I, he started sitting on punches and using his size more effectively, throwing more jabs, developed his head and upper body movement. After annihilating that guy in a rematch, he'd been traversing the weight divisions beating solid opposition. Martinez just had his number and annihilated him in his prime.

Pavlik wasn't himself, IMO. But you can't hold that against Martinez. Sergio beat a legit, prime middleweight champ with a big size/strength/power advantage over him.

Dzinziruk is a quality fighter in his prime. Creditable defence for Martinez.



I don't really see the sense in mentioning that Pavlik lost to Hopkins at 170, or that Taylor and Miranda haven't excelled at 168. It has little to do with the worth of Sergio's win over Pavlik at 160. Pavlik was a legit middleweight champ in his prime. Martinez dealt with him...went to war and eventually beat him up, in fact.

People talking about Paul Williams' loss to Quintana anymore are usually the same people who say that Pac's losses shouldn't be held against him and that 'losses don't automatically discredit a fighter, losses happen when good fighters fight each other and it's about how you bounce back' and yadda yadda. They pigheadedly refuse to acknowledge that Williams improved after Quintana I...wilfully myopic and annoying thinking.



Basically, Pac fans view Sergio as a threat, so they downplay him endlessly. Wearisome.




That said, Sergio's CV is NOT overrated, because few (if any) are hyping up his best stuff beyond what it is, i.e. very solid, rounded recent body of work. Arguably worthier than what Floyd and Pac have done in the same timeframe. You'd still give those guys the edge over Martinez in a P4P ranking, but that shouldn't last forever if Martinez continues to do better work than them.

If you wanted to argue his talent or quality are being overstated to a level not supported by the stuff on his CV, that's fine.




With that out the way; Chúc Dồi Dào Sức Khỏe Sống Hơn Trăm Tuổi, BikerDude! ;-)

I think Cintron is OK, but Margarito tapped him twice. It was his first fight at 154 though, if you want to say Pavlik fought Hopkin's at 170.

I also feel Pavlik has not been himself at all. His fire and hunger seems down to what it was before. However I did say it was a good win because Sergio moved up.

Paul did not get better to me. His main issue was always his defense. He never sorted that out. Wright was way out of prime or activity, and Phillips was just too old. Cintron took advantage of Paul's lack of defence in the 4 rounds too.

At 147 Paul is a monster, but 154 and 160, not so much.

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I also agree Martinez could be P4P if he beats Marg, Cotto and fights Sturm etc...

[P.K]

Stop using LOL, it takes away any credibility you might think you have.

That was a piss take of New England who kept saying KO of the year and FOTY adds to resume.

[P.K]

Here is a list of resume. Now if you want to say don't judge the resume of fighters, but the quality of Martinez, then again I will say Pac and May are above him.

OK even if you ignore speed because the other guys are 1 or 2 divisins lower, then even the intangibilities, timing, feints, footwork etc both kill him.

Pac has better footwork and offense. He has better timing, reflexes and power. He has more angles and dominates. He has much better stamina and control of the ring.

Mayweather has better timing, focus, defense, footwork, stamina, reflexes, and accuracy. He is strong mentally and technical as well as savvy.



Pacquiao (Age 32):

Ledwaba
Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
Erik Morales
Hector Velazquez
Larios
Jorge Eliecer Julio
Jorge Solis
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Angel Cotto
Joshua Clottey
Antonio Margarito
Shane Mosley

Mayweather (Age: 34):

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Gerena
Emanuel Augustus
Jose Luis Castillo
Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Zab Judah
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Juan Manuel Marquez
Shane Mosley

Martinez (Age: 36):

Alex Bunema
Kermit Cintron (Ranking as a win)
Paul Williams
Kelly Pavlik
Serhiy Dzinziruk
Saul Roman

[-Spinal-]

Martinez is a very good fighter but who rates his overall resume highly? He does not have a really good resume.

Now it's hard to deny Martinez's resume in the last 2 years is one of the best in boxing.

Dzinziruk, Williams 2x, and Pavlik are all tough fighters and if you don't believe his resume has been really good lately, you're just a hater. His overall resume sucks though.