Can Someone Explain To me How is Martinez close to Pac on a P4P basis???

[Doctor_Tenma]

Yeah, the same can be said but in the opposite, just because you a couple of good wins and a ****ty ass resume, doenst mean you will move up just because you had 3 good wins!!!!!

Don't get it, I understand that Martinez hit the scene late but it's about consistency here, Martinez has consistently fought the tougher guys. He's pretty much doing what Pacquiao's suppose to be doing.

[miron_lang]

LMAO.

They want it to be as recent as possible to be able to remove Pac from #1. but WTF?? i wont argue about it its their ****ing list anyway


Just want to be a little OBJECTIVE about the Comparison :

as Recent as 2007

Pacquiao is fighting 33-0 Jorge Solis and Marco Antonio Barrera
Martinez is fighting 3-34-2 Pavel Florin Madalin and 14-4 Russell Jordan (Michael and Bryon ? )

2008

Pacquiao is fighting Juan Manuel Marquez, Diaz and Dela Hoya
Martinez is fighting Archak TerMeliksetian who lost 5 of his last 6 and 16-6, 30-5 Alex Bunema

[B]2009[/B]

Pac - Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton
Martinez - Draw Cintron and lost to Williams ??? WTF??

2010

WOW!! at long last they are comparable

Pac - Clottey and Margarito
Martinez - Pavlik and Williams

[ChampBox@PR]

Don't get it, I understand that Martinez hit the scene late but it's about consistency here, Martinez has consistently fought the tougher guys. He's pretty much doing what Pacquiao's suppose to be doing.

Dude, please think before answering, consistency??? Look at Pacs opposition since 2004 and look at Martinez, theres no way in hell you can even put them in the same sentence!!!!!


What you dont get is that because of a couple of good wins you dont overthrown the P4P #1 guy.

Martinez resume, before fighting Cintron, is a coplete and utter joke!!!!

[ChampBox@PR]

LMAO.

They want it to be as recent as possible to be able to remove Pac from #1. but WTF?? i wont argue about it its their ****ing list anyway


Just want to a little OBJECTIVE about the Comparison :

as Recent as 2007

Pacquiao is fighting 33-0 Jorge Solis and Marco Antonio Barrera
Martinez is fighting 3-34-2 Pavel Florin Madalin and 14-4 Russell Jordan (Michael and Bryon ? )

2008

Pacquiao is fighting Juan Manuel Marquez, Diaz and Dela Hoya
Martinez is fighting Archak TerMeliksetian who lost 5 of his last 6 and 16-6, 30-5 Alex Bunema

[B]2009[/B]

Pac - Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton
Martinez - Draw Cintron and lost to Williams ??? WTF??

2010

WOW!! at long last they are comparable

Pac - Clottey and Margarito
Martinez - Pavlik and Williams

Thats what Im saying, this guys are desperate to descredit Pacquiao one way or another!! They are just being ****** thats all

[miron_lang]

Don't get it, I understand that Martinez hit the scene late but it's about consistency here, Martinez has consistently fought the tougher guys. He's pretty much doing what Pacquiao's suppose to be doing.

In what Planet?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Dude, please think before answering, consistency??? Look at Pacs opposition since 2004 and look at Martinez, theres no way in hell you can even put them in the same sentence!!!!!


What you dont get is that because of a couple of good wins you dont overthrown the P4P #1 guy.

Martinez resume, before fighting Cintron, is a coplete and utter joke!!!!

So he gets a free pass facing mediocre opposition because of the great things he's accomplished in the past? No man, NO!. Not my criteria for P4P. The bold, Ok, completely understandable, but he's been more consistent as of late and has fought the tougher guys, point blank man. Not even debatable. See, what your doing here is allowing Pacquiao to hang on to the past.

It's simple, your fighting weak to mediocre opposition, then that's what your doing. No justifying that.

[miron_lang]

for a good laugh.


entering 2007 w/c i posted above. Sergio Martinez's last 6 opponents records is


71 Wins and 79 losses



hahahahaha

yeah yeah the year 2007 is a very very very long time ago

[Doctor_Tenma]

Now your complaining about hating or discrediting, I'm being real here. Dzinziruk, Paul Williams, Pavlik > Clottey, Margarito, Shane. Even Martinez's win over Cintron (Couldn't care less about the judges) is arguably more impressive than Pacquiao's last three wins.

You guys are blind man...

[sdcluser]

So he gets a free pass facing mediocre opposition because of the great things he's accomplished in the past? No man, NO!. Not my criteria for P4P. The bold, Ok, completely understandable, but he's been more consistent as of late and has fought the tougher guys, point blank man. Not even debatable. See, what your doing here is allowing Pacquiao to hang on to the past.

It's simple, your fighting weak to mediocre opposition, then that's what your doing. No justifying that.

I tend to agree here.
There is a difference between judging a boxer P4P in career wise (or last 10 yrs) vs say in the last 3-4 fights. Precedent should take place 3-4 fights than taking consideration the last 5. IMO, the ranking should move accordingly.

[miron_lang]

Dzinziruk, Paul Williams, Pavlik > Clottey, Margarito, Shane.

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I agree. But is that enough to catapult him to #1? heck even #3 is a GREAT SUCCESS already.

and that's ALL he have

You guys are blind man...

You must be talking to yourself man