Comments Thread For: Arum: "Pacquiao Will Never Face a Golden Boy Fighter!"

[LeadUppercut]

REPLY TO MY POST MANNY-CLOWNS !!

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

I examined Bob Arum's motives after busting him on his "deadline" scam, nearly a year ago in this 103-page thread.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409880&page=103

Shame on the media for being so fkn ******, and double-shame on the media for giving Pac a pass on the PED issue.

Even Pac fan's will admit that Bob Arum spent 5-weeks telling the media that he was personally negotiating a deal with GBP for a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. Then he stated that he forwarded a proposal to GBP and immediately put a 2-week deadline on the offer..... but the very day after his "deadline" expired, on July 17th 2010, Arum was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP.

If Greenburg was telling the truth, then Bob Arum must have been lying ?

Because 9 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum himself confirmed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Ellerbe confirmed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....

http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pitt...ill-interested

And yet again..... 12 days after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Arum again confimed that NO negotiations were currently underway, and Schaefer himself confimed that there were no negotiations scheduled for the immediate future.....

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=69

http://zh-cn.facebook.com/note.php?n...19734301390302

Even as late as 7 weeks after Greenburg (apparently) started " negotiations ", Bob Arum still insisted that GBP were representing Mayweather..... “ Patience, patience, patience, ” said Arum, who has been in the thick of negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) regarding what is expected to be the richest fight in boxing history.....

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293759

In fact, the first time that I can recall Greenberg even being mentioned, was during Arum's conference call.

* The first word of Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations beginning came from Arum’s mouth.

* The “gag order” provision also came from Arum.

* everything we’ve heard about these “negotiations” has come from Arum…

I would be on the fence regarding who to believe if Arum had not established a long history of lying about the progress and status of behind-the-scenes fight negotiations. Paul Magno:

http://insidefights.com/2010/06/14/e...pacquiao-bout/

So who is the liar dude..... Greenburg or Arum ?

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

How could the media have been so fkn ****** ?

Arum has been pulling this **** for over 30 years

Now do you guys see why you shouldn't believe everything that you read ?

So, a couple of Arabs with box-cutter's knocked over the twin-tower's.....

..... NORAD forgot to intercept, and tower 7 fell over by itself.

..... yea right

[LeadUppercut]

That, in a nutshell, is what Leaduppercut wanted to show as proof that Arum is sabotaging talks with Floyd and is protecting Pac from Floyd. You be the judge.

No, that is not correct, you dishonest fanboy clown.

What I proved, was that BOB ARUM LIED, and here is the proof.....

Even Pac fan's will admit that Bob Arum spent 5-weeks telling the media that he was personally negotiating a deal with GBP for a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. Then he stated that he forwarded a proposal to GBP and immediately put a 2-week deadline on the offer..... but the very day after his "deadline" expired, on July 17th 2010, Arum was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

AND, HERE IS WHY HE DID IT.....

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET?

[letsgobrady]

In case some people are foolhardy enough to try out Leaduppercut's links, let me help you out:

Three of those links are dead. Here is what the rest is all about:

1. Schaefer mentions a gag-order on the second negotiations. He also denies Oscar's interview that a deal is close.
2. Arum denies negotiating with Schaefer. This is because GBP was never involved. It was Arum and Haymon talking through HBO's Ross Greenburg.
3. There was no link provided quoting Leonard Ellerbee denying that a second negotiation ever took place.
4. There was no link provided quoting Greenburg as he verifies Arum's claim of a second negotiations and showing Ellerbee as a liar. Greenburg also said that he acted as a broker, and that he had no idea why Floyd still didn't want to fight.
5. After Arum and Greenburg clarified that GBP was not involved in the talks, despite Schaefer and Oscar making it appear that they were the ones negotiating in behalf of Floyd, GBP shut their traps.
6. No link is provided, but Floyd thereafter stated that he is going on vacation.


I also provided links that showed:

1. Jeff Mayweather was approached by a South African group for a potential fight between Floyd and Pac for Mandela's birthday.
2. Jeff claims to be negotiating in behalf of Floyd.
3. No link is provided but Michael Koncz verified that they are talking about a Pac-Floyd fight. Arum denies this, perhaps in order to shut Koncz up for his indiscretion.
4. Jeff states that he is no longer involved in negotiations and that he is leaving it up to Floyd's camp. He talks about one guy asking for $100M as being unrealistic.
5. No link is provided, but Arum claims that they were negotiating for a third fight but that Floyd asked for $100M, which killed the fight.


It is instructive to note that in the latter instance, there was no official word from Floyd's camp denying the South African deal and the $100M demand. In the first instance, Ellerbee's denial came weeks after Arum's deadline ended, but no word all throughout the duration.

That, in a nutshell, is what Leaduppercut wanted to show as proof that Arum is sabotaging talks with Floyd and is protecting Pac from Floyd. You be the judge.

jeff nor roger has ever said anything was true everything they say is there oppinins yet most pac fans try to turn it into fact where as yeam pac makes a bunch of statements that are stated as facts but if those statements make manny look bad then the pac fans will try to put off on someone else in team pac instead of pacquiao himself kinda like kobe in l.a when they win it's all kobe if they lose it's because of gasol or artest

[empiricix]

In case some people are foolhardy enough to try out Leaduppercut's links, let me help you out:

Three of those links are dead. Here is what the rest is all about:

1. Schaefer mentions a gag-order on the second negotiations. He also denies Oscar's interview that a deal is close.
2. Arum denies negotiating with Schaefer. This is because GBP was never involved. It was Arum and Haymon talking through HBO's Ross Greenburg.
3. There was no link provided quoting Leonard Ellerbee denying that a second negotiation ever took place.
4. There was no link provided quoting Greenburg as he verifies Arum's claim of a second negotiations and showing Ellerbee as a liar. Greenburg also said that he acted as a broker, and that he had no idea why Floyd still didn't want to fight.
5. After Arum and Greenburg clarified that GBP was not involved in the talks, despite Schaefer and Oscar making it appear that they were the ones negotiating in behalf of Floyd, GBP shut their traps.
6. No link is provided, but Floyd thereafter stated that he is going on vacation.

I also provided links that showed:

1. Jeff Mayweather was approached by a South African group for a potential fight between Floyd and Pac for Mandela's birthday.
2. Jeff claims to be negotiating in behalf of Floyd.
3. No link is provided but Michael Koncz verified that they are talking about a Pac-Floyd fight. Arum denies this, perhaps in order to shut Koncz up for his indiscretion.
4. Jeff states that he is no longer involved in negotiations and that he is leaving it up to Floyd's camp. He talks about one guy asking for $100M as being unrealistic.
5. No link is provided, but Arum claims that they were negotiating for a third fight but that Floyd asked for $100M, which killed the fight.

It is instructive to note that in the latter instance, there was no official word from Floyd's camp denying the South African deal and the $100M demand. In the first instance, Ellerbee's denial came weeks after Arum's deadline ended, but no word all throughout the duration.

That, in a nutshell, is what Leaduppercut wanted to show as proof that Arum is sabotaging talks with Floyd and is protecting Pac from Floyd.

Let the people decide.

[empiricix]

jeff nor roger has ever said anything was true everything they say is there oppinins yet most pac fans try to turn it into fact where as yeam pac makes a bunch of statements that are stated as facts but if those statements make manny look bad then the pac fans will try to put off on someone else in team pac instead of pacquiao himself kinda like kobe in l.a when they win it's all kobe if they lose it's because of gasol or artest

For your viewing pleasure. Best eaten with crow.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content9422.html

http://www.boxingfutures.com/news/03...e-south-africa

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content9596.html

Jeff talking about being approached for the SA fight, negotiating in behalf of Floyd, and admitting that he is dropping out of the negotiations and leaving everything up to Floyd's camp because someone started talking about $100M for just one guy.

[De la hoya 801]

Hes bad for boxing,

yet, somehow, he made it possible for your favorite fighter to live as lavish as he does.

Interesting.

Whatever de la Hoya never needed top rank he would of been the same without fat a$$ arum he probably would've made GBP even earlier look at his big fights what banner is he fighting under? his own GBP

[empiricix]

*****s can say anything they want but in the final analysis, it all boils down to this: Floyd's boxing legacy has been tarnished before the entire world without a single insult or punch being thrown by Pac, simply by letting Floyd be Floyd. In the meantime, Pac just keeps on winning (fingers crossed this Saturday).

[Kagami Taiga]

seriously, u dudes argue about the same thing over and over again. why?? can u not consider the probability that neither sides wants the fight? i mean its obvious as ****, but i guess u have to choose sides because u get paid for it, rite??? oh wait...

[LeadUppercut]

*****s can say anything they want but in the final analysis, it all boils down to this: Floyd's boxing legacy has been tarnished before the entire world without a single insult or punch being thrown by Pac, simply by letting Floyd be Floyd. In the meantime, Pac just keeps on winning (fingers crossed this Saturday).

Hey, quick-draw.....

The subject is Bob Arum, and to a certain extent Manny " padded " Pacquiao.

Why did you ignore my two posts and change the subject to Mayweather ?

Hey guys, does anybody have any idea why empiricix did that ?

How about you man up son ?

What I proved, was that BOB ARUM LIED, and here is the proof.....

Even Pac fan's will admit that Bob Arum spent 5-weeks telling the media that he was personally negotiating a deal with GBP for a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. Then he stated that he forwarded a proposal to GBP and immediately put a 2-week deadline on the offer..... but the very day after his "deadline" expired, on July 17th 2010, Arum was forced to admit that neither he nor Ross Greenburg had ever spoken with anyone from GBP.

HERE IS BOB ARUM LYING.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

HERE IS BOB ARUM BEING FORCED TO ADMIT IT.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

AND, HERE IS WHY HE DID IT.....

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

HAS THE PENNY DROPPED YET KID ?

[deejd]

Right there is an argument. The problem is people like to look at how many years and not WHO the fighters where when they fought.

Mayweather beat champions at THERE weight when moving up. He became the undisputed WW champion. People said he was scared of Baldo (who hadn't lost in how long at that point?) and Judah.

When talking of being "scared". People said he was scared of Gatti (RIP) and that Gatti would destroy him. Diego "chico" Corrales? Remember how he was supposed to destroy scared little Floyd? Remember people talking about how he was scared then too?

This ****** coward talk about being afraid of Pac is the same shyt different restroom talk. If you have followed Floyd you would know better. Not saying YOU are talking that nonsense just saying.

You're right though. There is an argument of who's done better at WW just remember its embarrassing that Pac fights twice as much and its still an argument. It doesn't help Pac's argument that he's fighting guys on non wining streaks for over 2 years.... again Mayweather at least, at the very least has been fighting winners..... Its whatever as a fan of Mosley I hope he is OK post fight... as Mosley is in the same boat now days as Jones Jr.

Bravo, especially on the "not who, but when" stance. It's that simple and if you cannot comprehend that, oh well.